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Posted Jun 19, 2007 21:59

i learned a lot from reading comments on INSEAD vs Hong Kong UST, http://www.find-mba.com/board/4345

i am coming out of a 3 yr analyst program from one of the top asset management groups in London.
Would like to add a good Asian MBA to my CV for the future, as I aspire to manage my own Fund one day.

hoping someone can comment on top Chinese schools..What makes CEIBS rank so high? is it the "China hype" ? I understand CEIBS is not known as Finance school, and at this point I favor Hong Kong UST.
i learned a lot from reading comments on INSEAD vs Hong Kong UST, http://www.find-mba.com/board/4345

i am coming out of a 3 yr analyst program from one of the top asset management groups in London.
Would like to add a good Asian MBA to my CV for the future, as I aspire to manage my own Fund one day.

hoping someone can comment on top Chinese schools..What makes CEIBS rank so high? is it the "China hype" ? I understand CEIBS is not known as Finance school, and at this point I favor Hong Kong UST.


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Posted Jun 20, 2007 00:15

i learned a lot from reading comments on INSEAD vs Hong Kong UST, http://www.find-mba.com/board/4345

i am coming out of a 3 yr analyst program from one of the top asset management groups in London.
Would like to add a good Asian MBA to my CV for the future, as I aspire to manage my own Fund one day.

hoping someone can comment on top Chinese schools..What makes CEIBS rank so high? is it the "China hype" ? I understand CEIBS is not known as Finance school, and at this point I favor Hong Kong UST.




I cant really comment on CEIBS with such conviction as I did in the case of INSEAD-Singapore. CEIBS is probably the best school in Asia for corporate executives.

As far as your background and interest in fund management, Hong Kong UST is by far the better school in Finance. Also it would be a lot easier for you in securing employment in asset/fund management industry in Hong Kong or Singapore after attending HK UST.

You can use the same metrics used in the INSEAD vs HONG KONG UST thread. The independent departmental Finance ranking in Asia, and overall in the World. I can not even find CEIBS, so I would say its safe to assume Finance is NOT their strong specialty.

http://fnalumni.ust.hk/news/Asian_ranking.pdf

http://wpcarey.asu.edu/fin/rank/upload/2005_rankings.pdf
<blockquote>i learned a lot from reading comments on INSEAD vs Hong Kong UST, http://www.find-mba.com/board/4345

i am coming out of a 3 yr analyst program from one of the top asset management groups in London.
Would like to add a good Asian MBA to my CV for the future, as I aspire to manage my own Fund one day.

hoping someone can comment on top Chinese schools..What makes CEIBS rank so high? is it the "China hype" ? I understand CEIBS is not known as Finance school, and at this point I favor Hong Kong UST.


</blockquote>

I cant really comment on CEIBS with such conviction as I did in the case of INSEAD-Singapore. CEIBS is probably the best school in Asia for corporate executives.

As far as your background and interest in fund management, Hong Kong UST is by far the better school in Finance. Also it would be a lot easier for you in securing employment in asset/fund management industry in Hong Kong or Singapore after attending HK UST.

You can use the same metrics used in the INSEAD vs HONG KONG UST thread. The independent departmental Finance ranking in Asia, and overall in the World. I can not even find CEIBS, so I would say its safe to assume Finance is NOT their strong specialty.

http://fnalumni.ust.hk/news/Asian_ranking.pdf

http://wpcarey.asu.edu/fin/rank/upload/2005_rankings.pdf



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Posted Jun 20, 2007 16:00

i learned a lot from reading comments on INSEAD vs Hong Kong UST, http://www.find-mba.com/board/4345

i am coming out of a 3 yr analyst program from one of the top asset management groups in London.
Would like to add a good Asian MBA to my CV for the future, as I aspire to manage my own Fund one day.

hoping someone can comment on top Chinese schools..What makes CEIBS rank so high? is it the "China hype" ? I understand CEIBS is not known as Finance school, and at this point I favor Hong Kong UST.



I was in a similiar situation in searching for the best Asian Finance MBA. In my case I am more interested in traditional asset management and my search focused on finding a school which would give me the best opportunity to work for Franklin Templeton in HK, or investment management divisions of the big I-banks. There are plenty of opportunities in mainland China in Asset Management and CEIBS could be a good alternative if you wanted to work there, however when you look at job ads in Shanghai/Beijing, etc, if you don not speak Mandarin you dont stand a chance. The best way to help your career right now, is to either go to a top 5 school in the US or HONG KONG UST.
<blockquote>i learned a lot from reading comments on INSEAD vs Hong Kong UST, http://www.find-mba.com/board/4345

i am coming out of a 3 yr analyst program from one of the top asset management groups in London.
Would like to add a good Asian MBA to my CV for the future, as I aspire to manage my own Fund one day.

hoping someone can comment on top Chinese schools..What makes CEIBS rank so high? is it the "China hype" ? I understand CEIBS is not known as Finance school, and at this point I favor Hong Kong UST.

</blockquote>

I was in a similiar situation in searching for the best Asian Finance MBA. In my case I am more interested in traditional asset management and my search focused on finding a school which would give me the best opportunity to work for Franklin Templeton in HK, or investment management divisions of the big I-banks. There are plenty of opportunities in mainland China in Asset Management and CEIBS could be a good alternative if you wanted to work there, however when you look at job ads in Shanghai/Beijing, etc, if you don not speak Mandarin you dont stand a chance. The best way to help your career right now, is to either go to a top 5 school in the US or HONG KONG UST.




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Posted Jun 21, 2007 00:34

i learned a lot from reading comments on INSEAD vs Hong Kong UST, http://www.find-mba.com/board/4345

i am coming out of a 3 yr analyst program from one of the top asset management groups in London.
Would like to add a good Asian MBA to my CV for the future, as I aspire to manage my own Fund one day.

hoping someone can comment on top Chinese schools..What makes CEIBS rank so high? is it the "China hype" ? I understand CEIBS is not known as Finance school, and at this point I favor Hong Kong UST.




for Asian Finance - Hong Kong UST - do not waste your time applying elsewhere. They consistently have the best placements in Finance and have developed very good relationships with Hong Kong's financial community.
<blockquote>i learned a lot from reading comments on INSEAD vs Hong Kong UST, http://www.find-mba.com/board/4345

i am coming out of a 3 yr analyst program from one of the top asset management groups in London.
Would like to add a good Asian MBA to my CV for the future, as I aspire to manage my own Fund one day.

hoping someone can comment on top Chinese schools..What makes CEIBS rank so high? is it the "China hype" ? I understand CEIBS is not known as Finance school, and at this point I favor Hong Kong UST.


</blockquote>

for Asian Finance - Hong Kong UST - do not waste your time applying elsewhere. They consistently have the best placements in Finance and have developed very good relationships with Hong Kong's financial community.
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Posted Jun 21, 2007 17:55

i learned a lot from reading comments on INSEAD vs Hong Kong UST, http://www.find-mba.com/board/4345

i am coming out of a 3 yr analyst program from one of the top asset management groups in London.
Would like to add a good Asian MBA to my CV for the future, as I aspire to manage my own Fund one day.

hoping someone can comment on top Chinese schools..What makes CEIBS rank so high? is it the "China hype" ? I understand CEIBS is not known as Finance school, and at this point I favor Hong Kong UST.




for Asian Finance - Hong Kong UST - do not waste your time applying elsewhere. They consistently have the best placements in Finance and have developed very good relationships with Hong Kong's financial community.


thanx for you comments!

I am also looking at HK UST's Msc Investment Management, and M.S. Global Finance HKUST/NYU programs.
<blockquote><blockquote>i learned a lot from reading comments on INSEAD vs Hong Kong UST, http://www.find-mba.com/board/4345

i am coming out of a 3 yr analyst program from one of the top asset management groups in London.
Would like to add a good Asian MBA to my CV for the future, as I aspire to manage my own Fund one day.

hoping someone can comment on top Chinese schools..What makes CEIBS rank so high? is it the "China hype" ? I understand CEIBS is not known as Finance school, and at this point I favor Hong Kong UST.


</blockquote>

for Asian Finance - Hong Kong UST - do not waste your time applying elsewhere. They consistently have the best placements in Finance and have developed very good relationships with Hong Kong's financial community.
</blockquote>

thanx for you comments!

I am also looking at HK UST's Msc Investment Management, and M.S. Global Finance HKUST/NYU programs.
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Posted Jun 28, 2007 20:24

I will be applying to Hong Kong UST and pursuing MBA with concentrationa in China Business, anybody else?
I will be applying to Hong Kong UST and pursuing MBA with concentrationa in China Business, anybody else?

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Posted Jun 29, 2007 18:30

Hey

I am going to CEIBS this Sep 07. I have worked in the Asset Mgt Industry for the last 8 years. I think the networks this schools has are probably better than those at HK U and maybe more global too. The banking sector is only just opening in China and over the next 2-3 years there will be more presence from US banks. I dont think by having a weaker or non specialised finance faculty will make that much of a difference, since you can always add (or if you haven't got it already), the CFA qualification. I think adding an MBA from a top 20 global school will perhaps give you more opportunities to work within the finance industry either in HK or the West. Let me know your thoughts or email me and we can talk over the phone to exchange ideas.

Thanks
Hey

I am going to CEIBS this Sep 07. I have worked in the Asset Mgt Industry for the last 8 years. I think the networks this schools has are probably better than those at HK U and maybe more global too. The banking sector is only just opening in China and over the next 2-3 years there will be more presence from US banks. I dont think by having a weaker or non specialised finance faculty will make that much of a difference, since you can always add (or if you haven't got it already), the CFA qualification. I think adding an MBA from a top 20 global school will perhaps give you more opportunities to work within the finance industry either in HK or the West. Let me know your thoughts or email me and we can talk over the phone to exchange ideas.

Thanks
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Posted Jun 29, 2007 18:59

Hey

I am going to CEIBS this Sep 07. I have worked in the Asset Mgt Industry for the last 8 years. I think the networks this schools has are probably better than those at HK U and maybe more global too. The banking sector is only just opening in China and over the next 2-3 years there will be more presence from US banks. I dont think by having a weaker or non specialised finance faculty will make that much of a difference, since you can always add (or if you haven't got it already), the CFA qualification. I think adding an MBA from a top 20 global school will perhaps give you more opportunities to work within the finance industry either in HK or the West. Let me know your thoughts or email me and we can talk over the phone to exchange ideas.

Thanks


I have the UK ACA, i hold it in higher regards than CFA.

For me it came down to Hong Kong vs Shanghai, and placements in Hong Kong, because thats where I want to work post graduation. If I spoke Mandarin I would go to CEIBS and stay in Shanghai or Beijing. I do not place much weight in Economist rankings, FT too for that matter. True value a program can only be found through ones' own research. For me the best fit is Hong Kong UST.
<blockquote>Hey

I am going to CEIBS this Sep 07. I have worked in the Asset Mgt Industry for the last 8 years. I think the networks this schools has are probably better than those at HK U and maybe more global too. The banking sector is only just opening in China and over the next 2-3 years there will be more presence from US banks. I dont think by having a weaker or non specialised finance faculty will make that much of a difference, since you can always add (or if you haven't got it already), the CFA qualification. I think adding an MBA from a top 20 global school will perhaps give you more opportunities to work within the finance industry either in HK or the West. Let me know your thoughts or email me and we can talk over the phone to exchange ideas.

Thanks</blockquote>

I have the UK ACA, i hold it in higher regards than CFA.

For me it came down to Hong Kong vs Shanghai, and placements in Hong Kong, because thats where I want to work post graduation. If I spoke Mandarin I would go to CEIBS and stay in Shanghai or Beijing. I do not place much weight in Economist rankings, FT too for that matter. True value a program can only be found through ones' own research. For me the best fit is Hong Kong UST.


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Posted Jul 01, 2007 02:33

Look at case competitions around the world. HONG KONG UST's students beat CEIBS' all the time.
Look at case competitions around the world. HONG KONG UST's students beat CEIBS' all the time.





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Posted Aug 17, 2007 03:24

Hi guys,
how is CEIBS' reputation in HK, and HKUST's reputation in China? might sound like a stupid ? but is there a cut throat competition between these two schools? Can someone with CEIBS' degree count on placements in HK? Is it possible at all for someone with English only to work in mainland CHina?? I have been told that it might be possible in HK but not in Shanghai or Beijing.. Is the CHinese course at CEIBS intensive enough for me to learn the business basics in 12 months??
Hi guys,
how is CEIBS' reputation in HK, and HKUST's reputation in China? might sound like a stupid ? but is there a cut throat competition between these two schools? Can someone with CEIBS' degree count on placements in HK? Is it possible at all for someone with English only to work in mainland CHina?? I have been told that it might be possible in HK but not in Shanghai or Beijing.. Is the CHinese course at CEIBS intensive enough for me to learn the business basics in 12 months??
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Posted Aug 17, 2007 22:00

Hi guys,
how is CEIBS' reputation in HK, and HKUST's reputation in China? might sound like a stupid ? but is there a cut throat competition between these two schools? Can someone with CEIBS' degree count on placements in HK? Is it possible at all for someone with English only to work in mainland CHina?? I have been told that it might be possible in HK but not in Shanghai or Beijing.. Is the CHinese course at CEIBS intensive enough for me to learn the business basics in 12 months??


It obviously depends on who you ask about "reputation"
schools are definitely competing with each other for the title of Top MBA in Asia. It is definitely not possible for someone to work in mainland China without Mandarin, as a matter of fact unless you are some kind of highly sought executive, but if you are why would you need and MBA, than you can forget about even getting any interviews in Shanghai, HK is much better as a former British Colony. About the chinese school at CEIBS i know nothing abou it, but I can guarantee you that you wont learn Chinese quickly..
<blockquote>Hi guys,
how is CEIBS' reputation in HK, and HKUST's reputation in China? might sound like a stupid ? but is there a cut throat competition between these two schools? Can someone with CEIBS' degree count on placements in HK? Is it possible at all for someone with English only to work in mainland CHina?? I have been told that it might be possible in HK but not in Shanghai or Beijing.. Is the CHinese course at CEIBS intensive enough for me to learn the business basics in 12 months??</blockquote>

It obviously depends on who you ask about "reputation"
schools are definitely competing with each other for the title of Top MBA in Asia. It is definitely not possible for someone to work in mainland China without Mandarin, as a matter of fact unless you are some kind of highly sought executive, but if you are why would you need and MBA, than you can forget about even getting any interviews in Shanghai, HK is much better as a former British Colony. About the chinese school at CEIBS i know nothing abou it, but I can guarantee you that you wont learn Chinese quickly..
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Posted Aug 20, 2007 00:51

when you take away the fact that CEIBS' salary figures are adjusted for PPI, the school would be ranked outside of 50 in both FT and Economist. HK UST is way ahead if thats taken under consideration, as it should be.
when you take away the fact that CEIBS' salary figures are adjusted for PPI, the school would be ranked outside of 50 in both FT and Economist. HK UST is way ahead if thats taken under consideration, as it should be.
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Posted Aug 22, 2007 16:48

ceibs does not live up to its' rankings that is for sure.
ceibs does not live up to its' rankings that is for sure.
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Posted Aug 24, 2007 16:58

http://www.b-school-net.de/AsiaInc2001.htm

perfect example on how CEIBS' can not compete with other Asian schools when inflated salary numbers post graduation are taken out of the equation.
http://www.b-school-net.de/AsiaInc2001.htm

perfect example on how CEIBS' can not compete with other Asian schools when inflated salary numbers post graduation are taken out of the equation.
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Posted Sep 01, 2007 08:10

ceibs does not live up to its' rankings that is for sure.


that is true, and also as for mainland china mba programs for native speakers there are better choices in China outside of CEIBS, but they are certainly not good choices for someone from the "outside"
<blockquote>ceibs does not live up to its' rankings that is for sure.
</blockquote>

that is true, and also as for mainland china mba programs for native speakers there are better choices in China outside of CEIBS, but they are certainly not good choices for someone from the "outside"



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Posted Feb 07, 2009 14:17

Chinese business school wins top-10 FT ranking

THE China-Europe International Business School has become the first business school in Asia to make the Financial Times' top-10 MBA programs since the newspaper started ranking programs a decade ago.

The Shanghai-based school came eighth in the top-100 list of full-time global Master of Business Administration programs, up from 11th place last year.

CEIBS graduates' salaries increase by an average of 179 percent in three years after graduation, the highest pay rise among the schools listed, according an FT survey....

... Three Asian schools, two in China and one in India, feature in the top 20 of the FT rankings this year.

Hong Kong UST Business School is ranked 16th, up from 17th last year.

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/article/2009/200902/20090203/article_389693.htm
Chinese business school wins top-10 FT ranking

THE China-Europe International Business School has become the first business school in Asia to make the Financial Times' top-10 MBA programs since the newspaper started ranking programs a decade ago.

The Shanghai-based school came eighth in the top-100 list of full-time global Master of Business Administration programs, up from 11th place last year.

CEIBS graduates' salaries increase by an average of 179 percent in three years after graduation, the highest pay rise among the schools listed, according an FT survey....

... Three Asian schools, two in China and one in India, feature in the top 20 of the FT rankings this year.

Hong Kong UST Business School is ranked 16th, up from 17th last year.

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/article/2009/200902/20090203/article_389693.htm
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Posted Feb 07, 2009 16:09

visited CEIBS last month....

I dont know how people say that CEIBS graduates make more than 100,000 usd. not true, and if you talk to CEIBS people they are honest about it, the salaries are about 40,000 usd. Also the big salary increase post graduation is because many people coming in earned very low salaries i china and now still earn not much but pecentage wise it looks good.

If you are not chinese or do not speak chinese this is not the school for you. If you do decide to visit, you will know right away this is certainly not a top 10 school.
visited CEIBS last month....

I dont know how people say that CEIBS graduates make more than 100,000 usd. not true, and if you talk to CEIBS people they are honest about it, the salaries are about 40,000 usd. Also the big salary increase post graduation is because many people coming in earned very low salaries i china and now still earn not much but pecentage wise it looks good.

If you are not chinese or do not speak chinese this is not the school for you. If you do decide to visit, you will know right away this is certainly not a top 10 school.

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Posted Feb 08, 2009 17:16

Livorno,
you really got a good point many people do not see when considering CEIBS. There are some other aspects I would like to share after I had recently attended one of the information sessions on the Shanghai campus:
CEIBS is highly ranked and sees itself as a global b-school, and if you look at the international students you will find percentages of 30+ (FT 2009: 37%). Well, this is true BUT if you look at the numbers a bit more closely you will notice that almost all of the international students are exchange students. There is only a very small number of foreign students who do their entire program at CEIBS.
So those people who value cultural diversity as a crucial criterion will probably not be happy.
2 more remarks:
--I had a look at the bookstore and noticed that roughly 70% of the books are translations into Chinese.
--Many announcements or posters on the campus are in Chinese exclusively.
This once again confirms what was mentioned in previous posts. Even though all classes are conducted in English, lacking solid Mandarin skills will be a significant disadvantage.
Nevertheless, in terms of faculty, campus and doing business in China CEIBS is, in my opinion, the top address.... but not if your Mandarin is poor or if you wanna ensure cultural diversity.
Livorno,
you really got a good point many people do not see when considering CEIBS. There are some other aspects I would like to share after I had recently attended one of the information sessions on the Shanghai campus:
CEIBS is highly ranked and sees itself as a global b-school, and if you look at the international students you will find percentages of 30+ (FT 2009: 37%). Well, this is true BUT if you look at the numbers a bit more closely you will notice that almost all of the international students are exchange students. There is only a very small number of foreign students who do their entire program at CEIBS.
So those people who value cultural diversity as a crucial criterion will probably not be happy.
2 more remarks:
--I had a look at the bookstore and noticed that roughly 70% of the books are translations into Chinese.
--Many announcements or posters on the campus are in Chinese exclusively.
This once again confirms what was mentioned in previous posts. Even though all classes are conducted in English, lacking solid Mandarin skills will be a significant disadvantage.
Nevertheless, in terms of faculty, campus and doing business in China CEIBS is, in my opinion, the top address.... but not if your Mandarin is poor or if you wanna ensure cultural diversity.
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Posted May 02, 2009 21:50

Livorno,
you really got a good point many people do not see when considering CEIBS. There are some other aspects I would like to share after I had recently attended one of the information sessions on the Shanghai campus:
CEIBS is highly ranked and sees itself as a global b-school, and if you look at the international students you will find percentages of 30+ (FT 2009: 37%). Well, this is true BUT if you look at the numbers a bit more closely you will notice that almost all of the international students are exchange students. There is only a very small number of foreign students who do their entire program at CEIBS.
So those people who value cultural diversity as a crucial criterion will probably not be happy.
2 more remarks:
--I had a look at the bookstore and noticed that roughly 70% of the books are translations into Chinese.
--Many announcements or posters on the campus are in Chinese exclusively.
This once again confirms what was mentioned in previous posts. Even though all classes are conducted in English, lacking solid Mandarin skills will be a significant disadvantage.
Nevertheless, in terms of faculty, campus and doing business in China CEIBS is, in my opinion, the top address.... but not if your Mandarin is poor or if you wanna ensure cultural diversity.


accepted at both, choosing HKUST after careful consideration. The Mandarin issue tilted the scale.
I also rather live in HK. Welcome PMs
<blockquote>Livorno,
you really got a good point many people do not see when considering CEIBS. There are some other aspects I would like to share after I had recently attended one of the information sessions on the Shanghai campus:
CEIBS is highly ranked and sees itself as a global b-school, and if you look at the international students you will find percentages of 30+ (FT 2009: 37%). Well, this is true BUT if you look at the numbers a bit more closely you will notice that almost all of the international students are exchange students. There is only a very small number of foreign students who do their entire program at CEIBS.
So those people who value cultural diversity as a crucial criterion will probably not be happy.
2 more remarks:
--I had a look at the bookstore and noticed that roughly 70% of the books are translations into Chinese.
--Many announcements or posters on the campus are in Chinese exclusively.
This once again confirms what was mentioned in previous posts. Even though all classes are conducted in English, lacking solid Mandarin skills will be a significant disadvantage.
Nevertheless, in terms of faculty, campus and doing business in China CEIBS is, in my opinion, the top address.... but not if your Mandarin is poor or if you wanna ensure cultural diversity.
</blockquote>

accepted at both, choosing HKUST after careful consideration. The Mandarin issue tilted the scale.
I also rather live in HK. Welcome PMs
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