PT vs FT, Best BSs Europe, West DE/East France area

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Posted Mar 27, 2020 19:07

Hello everyone,

I am currently working as Procurement Manager (manufacturing industry).

Background: 4 years international working experience. BSc & MSc in Industrial Engineering, 4 languages (Eng, Spa, Fre, Ita).

Reasons why I'd like to do the MBA: go up (Director/Executive right after so 2-3 yrs from now, CPO 5 yrs), change geography (Switzerland, Germany), change of industry (consumer goods, Telco, financial services) learning on leadership/personal development and networking.

I would like to ask you:

- main pros and cons of FT vs PT? - best BSs in Europe for my profile and needs? Thank you very much.
Best regards,

[Edited by +vibes on Jun 02, 2020]

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Duncan

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Posted Mar 27, 2020 22:48

Your four years experience you will probably get much better results from a full time MBA unless you are currently earning over €150k. You need a hypothesis. Work out where you most likely want to work, and in what probable role. Then see which schools provide MBAs for those roles.

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+vibes

9 18

Posted Mar 27, 2020 23:34

Your four years experience you will probably get much better results from a full time MBA unless you are currently earning over €150k. You need a hypothesis. Work out where you most likely want to work, and in what probable role. Then see which schools provide MBAs for those roles.

Mr. Duncan, thank you very much for the professional & kind answer.

I'd like to work as a Director/Executive in Procurement/Purchasing, right after the MBA (in Switzerland, Germany); managing a big Team. https://qs.topuniversities.com/mba/comp So far, programs that have attracted me are: WHU, Mannheim, ESMT.
Fees around 40k €.

Do you think they would meet my needs and are a good trade-off/investment?
Any high level pros/cons of these BSs? Do you consider them good to move outside of Germany?

Thank you. Regards.

[Edited by +vibes on Jun 02, 2020]

[quote]Your four years experience you will probably get much better results from a full time MBA unless you are currently earning over €150k. You need a hypothesis. Work out where you most likely want to work, and in what probable role. Then see which schools provide MBAs for those roles. [/quote]

Mr. Duncan, thank you very much for the professional & kind answer.

I'd like to work as a Director/Executive in Procurement/Purchasing, right after the MBA (in Switzerland, Germany); managing a big Team. https://qs.topuniversities.com/mba/comp<div> So far, programs that have attracted me are: WHU, Mannheim, ESMT.
Fees around 40k €.

Do you think they would meet my needs and are a good trade-off/investment?
Any high level pros/cons of these BSs? <div> Do you consider them good to move outside of Germany?

Thank you. Regards.</div></div>

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Duncan

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Posted Mar 28, 2020 14:26

I encourage you to do more reading in this forum and focus on career goals. Look at the data behind the rankings.

There are big differences between the value created by the various program formats and schools.

€80k after Insead is not typical. Focus on the difference in the value of probable outcomes, not outliers. If you focus on costs rather than benefits you will not maximise your gains.

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+vibes

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Posted Mar 28, 2020 14:55

I encourage you to do more reading in this forum and focus on career goals. Look at the data behind the rankings.

There are big differences between the value created by the various program formats and schools.

€80k after Insead is not typical. Focus on the difference in the value of probable outcomes, not outliers. If you focus on costs rather than benefits you will not maximise your gains.

I will focus on career goals/probable outcome (Director/Executive in Procurement) and the value created by the program.

Why would I get more from a FT vs a PT?

Will the outcome vary a lot between a FT and PT?
I am referring particularly to WHU, Mannheim, ESMT.

thank you

[Edited by +vibes on Mar 28, 2020]

[quote]I encourage you to do more reading in this forum and focus on career goals. Look at the data behind the rankings.

There are big differences between the value created by the various program formats and schools.

€80k after Insead is not typical. Focus on the difference in the value of probable outcomes, not outliers. If you focus on costs rather than benefits you will not maximise your gains. [/quote]

I will focus on career goals/probable outcome (Director/Executive in Procurement) and the value created by the program.

Why would I get more from a FT vs a PT?

Will the outcome vary a lot between a FT and PT?
I am referring particularly to WHU, Mannheim, ESMT.

thank you

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Duncan

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Posted Mar 28, 2020 16:33

i separate our part-time MBAs from executive MBAs, aimed at mid-career managers. Compared to full-time MBAs, the part-time MBAs will:
- have a smaller increase in salary, and smaller career growth
- have a lower student quality, and a less diverse cohort
- have fewer opportunities to develop soft skills
- generally experience more limited access to electives, international exchanges, internships, projects and career services
- be less able to take part in structured MBA hiring and career treks
- have less time to focus on making the most of their MBA
- have greatly reduced international mobility.

Remember, employers will come to business schools to hire the full-time students and so the cohort of full-time students become a network that is much better placed in traditional MBA employers.

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+vibes

9 18

Posted May 06, 2020 20:37

i separate our part-time MBAs from executive MBAs, aimed at mid-career managers. Compared to full-time MBAs, the part-time MBAs will:
- have a smaller increase in salary, and smaller career growth
- have a lower student quality, and a less diverse cohort
- have fewer opportunities to develop soft skills
- generally experience more limited access to electives, international exchanges, internships, projects and career services
- be less able to take part in structured MBA hiring and career treks
- have less time to focus on making the most of their MBA
- have greatly reduced international mobility.

Remember, employers will come to business schools to hire the full-time students and so the cohort of full-time students become a network that is much better placed in traditional MBA employers.

I will go for the full-time.
Considering my background and that the following are my 3 career goals, what other Business School would you suggest, besides WHU?
1) Switzerland, Germany, Netherlands, Luxembourg 2) Procurement Manager/Sr. Manager 3) Consumer Goods, Technology/Telecommunications
Thanks

[Edited by +vibes on May 06, 2020]

[quote]i separate our part-time MBAs from executive MBAs, aimed at mid-career managers. Compared to full-time MBAs, the part-time MBAs will:
- have a smaller increase in salary, and smaller career growth
- have a lower student quality, and a less diverse cohort
- have fewer opportunities to develop soft skills
- generally experience more limited access to electives, international exchanges, internships, projects and career services
- be less able to take part in structured MBA hiring and career treks
- have less time to focus on making the most of their MBA
- have greatly reduced international mobility.

Remember, employers will come to business schools to hire the full-time students and so the cohort of full-time students become a network that is much better placed in traditional MBA employers. [/quote]<div><br></div><div>I will go for the full-time.</div><div><br></div><div><div>Considering my background and that the following are my 3 career goals, what other Business School would you suggest, besides WHU?</div><div><br></div><div>1) Switzerland, Germany, Netherlands, Luxembourg </div><div>2) Procurement Manager/Sr. Manager </div><div>3) Consumer Goods, Technology/Telecommunications</div></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>

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Duncan

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Posted May 06, 2020 21:27

RSM and IMD.

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+vibes

9 18

Posted May 07, 2020 12:49

RSM and IMD.

How would you rank them and why?Insead, HEC, St. Gallen could be a good fit too or not?
I am just trying to understand where is best to aim, considering I am goign for FT now.

[quote]RSM and IMD. [/quote]<div><br></div><div>How would you rank them and why?</div><div>Insead, HEC, St. Gallen could be a good fit too or not?</div><div><br></div><div>I am just trying to understand where is best to aim, considering I am goign for FT now.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>

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