ESMT or ESCP

ansgh

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Posted May 23, 2017 18:33

I have got admits from these 2 colleges for full time MBA - ESCP and ESMT
Which school out of these two are better for me as an Indian with 10 years of work experience in IT industry including 5 years as a Co-Founder of an IT company.

ESMT is in Berlin only but ESCP i'll be half semester in London half in Berlin so will i be able to get post mba work visa of 18 months in Germany?

My main concern is to get a descent job after MBA in Germany. I have already started taking german language course so which college is better ESMT or ESCP??

(I also have admits from EBS, Colgone, TIAS and Vlerick)

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donho199

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Posted May 23, 2017 18:44

I don't think the full-time ESCP MBA programme is very well run. The courses will be taught in English and French professors are not particularly fluent in English. ESCP actually terminated and only run the full-time MBA again recently.
If you go to ESCP study in French.

ESMT is a much more international school. Job market in Germany is also better in general and better for only English-speaking professional in particular.

Anyways, to get jobs you need to speak the local language.

I actually believe TIAS is the best in terms of staying to work after graduation.

In terms of exposure and learning I do not see major difference between TIAS, Vlerick and ESMT.

EBS and Cologne are not strong. ESCP is very strong in France but you need to graduate from a Grande Ecole degree not a English master

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ansgh

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Posted May 23, 2017 18:53

I don't think the full-time ESCP MBA programme is very well run. The courses will be taught in English and French professors are not particularly fluent in English. ESCP actually terminated and only run the full-time MBA again recently.
If you go to ESCP study in French.

ESMT is a much more international school. Job market in Germany is also better in general and better for only English-speaking professional in particular.

Anyways, to get jobs you need to speak the local language.

I actually believe TIAS is the best in terms of staying to work after graduation.

In terms of exposure and learning I do not see major difference between TIAS, Vlerick and ESMT.

EBS and Cologne are not strong. ESCP is very strong in France but you need to graduate from a Grande Ecole degree not a English master

Thanks donho199 for replying back!
Well Germany gives 18 months work visa while Netherlands only gives 12 months and belgium gives none so i am not considering Vlerick as of now.
Also i heard that getting a job in Netherlands is tougher than Germany but may i please know on what terms you put TIAS better than ESMT i mean Netherlands better than Germany.
Thank you once again for replying back!

[quote]I don't think the full-time ESCP MBA programme is very well run. The courses will be taught in English and French professors are not particularly fluent in English. ESCP actually terminated and only run the full-time MBA again recently.
If you go to ESCP study in French.

ESMT is a much more international school. Job market in Germany is also better in general and better for only English-speaking professional in particular.

Anyways, to get jobs you need to speak the local language.

I actually believe TIAS is the best in terms of staying to work after graduation.

In terms of exposure and learning I do not see major difference between TIAS, Vlerick and ESMT.

EBS and Cologne are not strong. ESCP is very strong in France but you need to graduate from a Grande Ecole degree not a English master
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maury

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Posted May 25, 2017 19:51

I would think that 12 months versus 18 months post-MBA work visa wouldn't be the deciding factor - ideally, most graduating MBAs would be able to land a job and a more permanent visa by graduation or within several months of it.

Have you connected with the career services departments at the schools you're looking at? They'll be able to give you a good sense of whether your goals are attainable.

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ansgh

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Posted May 25, 2017 20:08

I would think that 12 months versus 18 months post-MBA work visa wouldn't be the deciding factor - ideally, most graduating MBAs would be able to land a job and a more permanent visa by graduation or within several months of it.

Have you connected with the career services departments at the schools you're looking at? They'll be able to give you a good sense of whether your goals are attainable.

Yes i have and TIAS is nice while ESMT is better and ESCP is new in this but unfortunately ESMT has put me on a waitlist so im left with TIAS VLERICK & ESCP to decide.

[quote]I would think that 12 months versus 18 months post-MBA work visa wouldn't be the deciding factor - ideally, most graduating MBAs would be able to land a job and a more permanent visa by graduation or within several months of it.

Have you connected with the career services departments at the schools you're looking at? They'll be able to give you a good sense of whether your goals are attainable.[/quote]

Yes i have and TIAS is nice while ESMT is better and ESCP is new in this but unfortunately ESMT has put me on a waitlist so im left with TIAS VLERICK & ESCP to decide.

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donho199

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Posted May 25, 2017 21:05

I still believe working in Holland after graduation is easier. The Dutch tend to be very open and welcoming and 6 month less on their work visa wont change much.

As an alum of ESCP myself, I would not recommend it unless you are fluent in French. It is a very good school and I am proud of it but it is not for everyone.

I have been to Belgium a couple of times and have seen Vlerick new campus 2 years ago. The campus was modern and in the central of everything. The country is small and lively. You could live with English as your own language. I actually very closed to join Vlerick a few years ago but only due to a very good job offer I had that I declined.

I would rate it as following TIAS > ESMT > Vlerick > ESCP.

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donho199

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Posted May 25, 2017 21:05

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ansgh

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Posted May 25, 2017 21:27

I still believe working in Holland after graduation is easier. The Dutch tend to be very open and welcoming and 6 month less on their work visa wont change much.

As an alum of ESCP myself, I would not recommend it unless you are fluent in French. It is a very good school and I am proud of it but it is not for everyone.

I have been to Belgium a couple of times and have seen Vlerick new campus 2 years ago. The campus was modern and in the central of everything. The country is small and lively. You could live with English as your own language. I actually very closed to join Vlerick a few years ago but only due to a very good job offer I had that I declined.

I would rate it as following TIAS > ESMT > Vlerick > ESCP.

That's correct a 6 month difference is not a big deal but as far as i read dutch employers don't sponsor visas easily while germans do because of less cost and paper work. I plan to stay in Europe for a few years so post my job seeker visa i also need to see which country sponser visas easily employers i mean.
Vlerick is good but placements are not very good and no visa after graduation so it's almost out of my list.
For escp i am looking for berlin one as my end semester will be there but i'll have to take up additional two 30 hours seminars and a thesis which will make it 120ects and only then i can have my 18 months visa.

[quote]I still believe working in Holland after graduation is easier. The Dutch tend to be very open and welcoming and 6 month less on their work visa wont change much.

As an alum of ESCP myself, I would not recommend it unless you are fluent in French. It is a very good school and I am proud of it but it is not for everyone.

I have been to Belgium a couple of times and have seen Vlerick new campus 2 years ago. The campus was modern and in the central of everything. The country is small and lively. You could live with English as your own language. I actually very closed to join Vlerick a few years ago but only due to a very good job offer I had that I declined.

I would rate it as following TIAS > ESMT > Vlerick > ESCP. [/quote]

That's correct a 6 month difference is not a big deal but as far as i read dutch employers don't sponsor visas easily while germans do because of less cost and paper work. I plan to stay in Europe for a few years so post my job seeker visa i also need to see which country sponser visas easily employers i mean.
Vlerick is good but placements are not very good and no visa after graduation so it's almost out of my list.
For escp i am looking for berlin one as my end semester will be there but i'll have to take up additional two 30 hours seminars and a thesis which will make it 120ects and only then i can have my 18 months visa.

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Tabz09

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Posted May 28, 2018 16:50

So finally where did you end up going? And how was your experience? I am expecting offers from TIAS, escp and em Lyon, and am a bit confused about which one to opt for?

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