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Edinburgh business school
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Posted Nov 23, 2014 11:19
The MBA is more than the content. Indeed, the EBS courses are written by good academics, although the materials are sometimes very old. But the MBA experience is more than the reading, otherwise you would join a library. Maybe AUC has more impressive lecturers than most people delivering the EBS MBA?
The MBA is more than the content. Indeed, the EBS courses are written by good academics, although the materials are sometimes very old. But the MBA experience is more than the reading, otherwise you would join a library. Maybe AUC has more impressive lecturers than most people delivering the EBS MBA?
Posted Nov 23, 2014 15:38
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But there are no good DL MBAs which are not accredited.
But there are no good DL MBAs which are not accredited.
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Posted Jan 17, 2015 03:06
and organisations such as Amba are private clubs not government institutions.. so in my opinion official recognition by the gov. is more credible
and the fact that in exceptional cases you do not need a degree to enter is symptomatic of the British education system which gives the opportunity to anyone who has the ability to suceed in the program.. but exam as you read are very hard and you communicate as much as you want with the professor through email, forums, phone, live seminars and you can travel to meet them in the UK if you so desire
[Edited by elnaggar.ahmed on Jan 17, 2015]
and organisations such as Amba are private clubs not government institutions.. so in my opinion official recognition by the gov. is more credible
and the fact that in exceptional cases you do not need a degree to enter is symptomatic of the British education system which gives the opportunity to anyone who has the ability to suceed in the program.. but exam as you read are very hard and you communicate as much as you want with the professor through email, forums, phone, live seminars and you can travel to meet them in the UK if you so desire
Posted Jan 17, 2015 15:01
I have looked at the faculty listed on the EBS MBA website (http://www.ebsglobal.net/programmes/faculty-and-authors) and it is certainly not the case that these people will be available to students on the MBA. A minority of them work for EBS, and one cannot be assured that the others will be available. These people wrote the course materials for the MBA, and some of those materials were written a long time ago: some have retired, others have died... I think it would be good to know which of the 'faculty' actually are part of the active team for the distance learning MBA.
It is not "symptomatic of the British education system" that people without university qualifications can enter post-graduate degrees. That is very rare, and I am surprised to see it described as if it is a good thing.
I have looked at the faculty listed on the EBS MBA website (http://www.ebsglobal.net/programmes/faculty-and-authors) and it is certainly not the case that these people will be available to students on the MBA. A minority of them work for EBS, and one cannot be assured that the others will be available. These people wrote the course materials for the MBA, and some of those materials were written a long time ago: some have retired, others have died... I think it would be good to know which of the 'faculty' actually are part of the active team for the distance learning MBA.
It is not "symptomatic of the British education system" that people without university qualifications can enter post-graduate degrees. That is very rare, and I am surprised to see it described as if it is a good thing.
Posted Jan 18, 2015 14:00
In regard to the availability of professors most them who wrote the books were readily available for the students to contact and in case of replacements.. the Biographies and credentials are always posted on HW website.
Finally there are lots of schools that have AMBA etc.. accreditations and are not recognized by their own governments.. The British Standard
is recognized internationaly as being more than adequate and is accepted by all employers that I ever heard of (and considered superior in many countries) .. I never saw a CV mentioning AMBA etc.. or heard of an employer requiring a private accreditation for an MBA.. no one I know was EVER asked about private accreditation for his MBA.. or given preferential treatment for that.. What only matters is if you graduated from a reputable institution.. that's a fact of life.. It is a way for business schools to make huge margins out of our pockets..
Did i mention thar 99% of hiring manager in this part of the world did not graduate from schools privately accredited..
Of course It will not hurt if you can afford it.. but my point is that it is not necessary
[Edited by elnaggar.ahmed on Jan 18, 2015]
In regard to the availability of professors most them who wrote the books were readily available for the students to contact and in case of replacements.. the Biographies and credentials are always posted on HW website.
Finally there are lots of schools that have AMBA etc.. accreditations and are not recognized by their own governments.. The British Standard
is recognized internationaly as being more than adequate and is accepted by all employers that I ever heard of (and considered superior in many countries) .. I never saw a CV mentioning AMBA etc.. or heard of an employer requiring a private accreditation for an MBA.. no one I know was EVER asked about private accreditation for his MBA.. or given preferential treatment for that.. What only matters is if you graduated from a reputable institution.. that's a fact of life.. It is a way for business schools to make huge margins out of our pockets..
Did i mention thar 99% of hiring manager in this part of the world did not graduate from schools privately accredited..
Of course It will not hurt if you can afford it.. but my point is that it is not necessary
Posted Jan 18, 2015 15:31
You are mistaken about the authors being available. As I have written, many are dead or have retired. For example, please tell me how much communication you have had with authors who are not on the HW faculty.
Can you point to an AMBA-accredited programme that is not recognised by its government and is in a country where recognition of universities is a government task?
You mistaken when you say that international accreditation is less meaningful than national accrediation. In this respect please see Why international accreditation matters http://www.find-mba.com/board/41224 There is a substantial premium for international accreditation.
I do not doubt that 99% (and more) of jobs are not for people with internationally-accredited MBAs. My point is that it is a bad investment to take an MBA without international accreditation if there is a choice to take one with it.
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You are mistaken about the authors being available. As I have written, many are dead or have retired. For example, please tell me how much communication you have had with authors who are not on the HW faculty.
Can you point to an AMBA-accredited programme that is not recognised by its government and is in a country where recognition of universities is a government task?
You mistaken when you say that international accreditation is less meaningful than national accrediation. In this respect please see Why international accreditation matters http://www.find-mba.com/board/41224 There is a substantial premium for international accreditation.
I do not doubt that 99% (and more) of jobs are not for people with internationally-accredited MBAs. My point is that it is a bad investment to take an MBA without international accreditation if there is a choice to take one with it.
Posted Jan 18, 2015 22:22
- As a general rule most in the program (at least in my School 'AUC') do have an undergraduate degree with good standing.. BUT there are always exceptions in everything .. if a candidate can demonstrate his abilities and have the necessary prerequisites, it is wrong to penalize him/her
- Factually and from experience I had no problem finding support from the professors (ask any HW student).. they respond to emails, are available in the forums and there are live seminars that you can attend.. they responded even after completing the courses when I needed some advise.. you expect the faculty to stop using quality material because the author is retired or deceased.. that would be kind of ridiculous.
- After completing my MBA, I almost enrolled in MSM for the DBA program which is privately accredited just to discover it is not recognized by the Deuch gov. same for SMC University.. both diplomas would have been useless to me locally.. as the only accreditation that is required in this part of the world is the official gov. accreditation.
- Again British Universities are internationally recognized and accepted in term of academic standards (this cannot be disputed) and in the real world that’s what matters.. you earn more money because your employer recognizes the reputation of the institution you graduated from not because it is privately accredited
I agree with you that if all things being equal, it is logical to choose triple accreditation, however that is rarely the case.. couldn’t justify paying the significant difference in fees out of my student loans
[Edited by elnaggar.ahmed on Jan 18, 2015]
- As a general rule most in the program (at least in my School 'AUC') do have an undergraduate degree with good standing.. BUT there are always exceptions in everything .. if a candidate can demonstrate his abilities and have the necessary prerequisites, it is wrong to penalize him/her
- Factually and from experience I had no problem finding support from the professors (ask any HW student).. they respond to emails, are available in the forums and there are live seminars that you can attend.. they responded even after completing the courses when I needed some advise.. you expect the faculty to stop using quality material because the author is retired or deceased.. that would be kind of ridiculous.
- After completing my MBA, I almost enrolled in MSM for the DBA program which is privately accredited just to discover it is not recognized by the Deuch gov. same for SMC University.. both diplomas would have been useless to me locally.. as the only accreditation that is required in this part of the world is the official gov. accreditation.
- Again British Universities are internationally recognized and accepted in term of academic standards (this cannot be disputed) and in the real world that’s what matters.. you earn more money because your employer recognizes the reputation of the institution you graduated from not because it is privately accredited
I agree with you that if all things being equal, it is logical to choose triple accreditation, however that is rarely the case.. couldn’t justify paying the significant difference in fees out of my student loans
Posted Jan 19, 2015 03:18
I'm am happy that you get responses from HW staff. I was not suggesting that you would not: quite the opposite. I was suggestign that you would only hear from the staff, and not from most of the academics listed on the HW MBA website.
You are mistaken about MSM. Higher education courses in The Netherlands and Flanders are accredited by the Accreditation Organisation of the Netherlands and Flanders (NVAO). MSM is accredited by the NVAO. That is the same state accreditation held by all Dutch Universities. Because NVAO accreditation is for courses taught in the The Netherlands and Flanders, it does not apply to diplomas issued outside the Netherlands. That is nothing special about MSM or its DBA.
You are mistaken when you say that British standards are all that matter. As I show in my post about why accreditation matters, not all universities in a country are of the same standard. In Britain, the salaries differ massively between difference MBA programmes' alumni. You are right that salaries are a good indicator, and accredited programmes produce higher salaries.
I'm am happy that you get responses from HW staff. I was not suggesting that you would not: quite the opposite. I was suggestign that you would only hear from the staff, and not from most of the academics listed on the HW MBA website.
You are mistaken about MSM. Higher education courses in The Netherlands and Flanders are accredited by the Accreditation Organisation of the Netherlands and Flanders (NVAO). MSM is accredited by the NVAO. That is the same state accreditation held by all Dutch Universities. Because NVAO accreditation is for courses taught in the The Netherlands and Flanders, it does not apply to diplomas issued outside the Netherlands. That is nothing special about MSM or its DBA.
You are mistaken when you say that British standards are all that matter. As I show in my post about why accreditation matters, not all universities in a country are of the same standard. In Britain, the salaries differ massively between difference MBA programmes' alumni. You are right that salaries are a good indicator, and accredited programmes produce higher salaries.
Posted Jan 22, 2015 03:22
If that was true than why is the MSM MBA thaught outside the Netherlands has gov. recognition and not the DBA and what about SMC
Lets not kid ourselves in the practical world 'comparing candidates schools' is only a very small part of the hiring process providing you graduated from reputable inst. ( if you graduated from somewhere like Oxford or the handfull top schools that's different ).. there are a ton of other criteria.. interview, network, experience etc..since employers do not ask for private accreditation .. this is not what we should be focusing on.. hek we can also use the extra money for another certification like a CFA for example
[Edited by elnaggar.ahmed on Jan 22, 2015]
If that was true than why is the MSM MBA thaught outside the Netherlands has gov. recognition and not the DBA and what about SMC
Lets not kid ourselves in the practical world 'comparing candidates schools' is only a very small part of the hiring process providing you graduated from reputable inst. ( if you graduated from somewhere like Oxford or the handfull top schools that's different ).. there are a ton of other criteria.. interview, network, experience etc..since employers do not ask for private accreditation .. this is not what we should be focusing on.. hek we can also use the extra money for another certification like a CFA for example
Posted Jan 22, 2015 18:26