wouldn’t recommend to do MBA at the University of Liverpool (the UK)

BenS

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Posted Feb 20, 2018 16:34

Wouldn’t recommend to do the MBA at the University of Liverpool.
Leaders of the program are women who have been sitting for ages on their roles and don’t want to provide any help for the students.
Everything is based only on personal subjective preferences,which means that there is no objective approach.
One of the leaders (who is in chatge for supply chain procurement modules) wrote in her article: "international students are competitors for us , basically we teach the competitors"!!!
It’s completely hypocritical to use international students only for the sake of replenishing the university budget, consumer attitude towards international students.
Also the atmosphere among the students is very negative. Waste of time and money (and nerves).

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Razors Edg...

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Posted Feb 21, 2018 19:50

It’s completely hypocritical to use international students only for the sake of replenishing the university budget, consumer attitude towards international students.

Well, it is the international students who basically bankroll a lot of these universities, especially in the UK. That's how it has been for a long time: students from abroad basically throw money at the UK schools for the recognition of having a UK degree.

I think that for the top schools it's definitely worth it, because you're paying a premium for investing in the network and other resources that these schools provide. But for lesser-known schools it can be a bit about managing expectations for students.

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It’s completely hypocritical to use international students only for the sake of replenishing the university budget, consumer attitude towards international students.[/quote]
Well, it is the international students who basically bankroll a lot of these universities, especially in the UK. That's how it has been for a long time: students from abroad basically throw money at the UK schools for the recognition of having a UK degree.

I think that for the top schools it's definitely worth it, because you're paying a premium for investing in the network and other resources that these schools provide. But for lesser-known schools it can be a bit about managing expectations for students.

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BenS

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Posted Feb 22, 2018 09:26

It’s completely hypocritical to use international students only for the sake of replenishing the university budget, consumer attitude towards international students.

Well, it is the international students who basically bankroll a lot of these universities, especially in the UK. That's how it has been for a long time: students from abroad basically throw money at the UK schools for the recognition of having a UK degree.

I think that for the top schools it's definitely worth it, because you're paying a premium for investing in the network and other resources that these schools provide. But for lesser-known schools it can be a bit about managing expectations for students.

The thing is that there is NO NETWORKING at all. That’s the exact point.
When it comes to international students “who basically bankroll a lot pf that uni”: you didn’t understand my previous text. I meant, that university and module leaders should care abt international students (who is investing a lot!), but they don’t!

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It’s completely hypocritical to use international students only for the sake of replenishing the university budget, consumer attitude towards international students.[/quote]
Well, it is the international students who basically bankroll a lot of these universities, especially in the UK. That's how it has been for a long time: students from abroad basically throw money at the UK schools for the recognition of having a UK degree.

I think that for the top schools it's definitely worth it, because you're paying a premium for investing in the network and other resources that these schools provide. But for lesser-known schools it can be a bit about managing expectations for students. [/quote]

The thing is that there is NO NETWORKING at all. That’s the exact point.
When it comes to international students “who basically bankroll a lot pf that uni”: you didn’t understand my previous text. I meant, that university and module leaders should care abt international students (who is investing a lot!), but they don’t!

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BenS

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Posted Feb 22, 2018 11:20

It’s completely hypocritical to use international students only for the sake of replenishing the university budget, consumer attitude towards international students.

Well, it is the international students who basically bankroll a lot of these universities, especially in the UK. That's how it has been for a long time: students from abroad basically throw money at the UK schools for the recognition of having a UK degree.

I think that for the top schools it's definitely worth it, because you're paying a premium for investing in the network and other resources that these schools provide. But for lesser-known schools it can be a bit about managing expectations for students.

I know what I’m talking about because has own experience. It doesn’t worth a penny.
No networking (because most of students without work and life experience, have very narrow mindset).
Module leaders are not prepared at all, very weak and not professionals.
Program leaders women who sit ages on their roles , the uni should change all staff if they want to succeed.

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It’s completely hypocritical to use international students only for the sake of replenishing the university budget, consumer attitude towards international students.[/quote]
Well, it is the international students who basically bankroll a lot of these universities, especially in the UK. That's how it has been for a long time: students from abroad basically throw money at the UK schools for the recognition of having a UK degree.

I think that for the top schools it's definitely worth it, because you're paying a premium for investing in the network and other resources that these schools provide. But for lesser-known schools it can be a bit about managing expectations for students. [/quote]

I know what I’m talking about because has own experience. It doesn’t worth a penny.
No networking (because most of students without work and life experience, have very narrow mindset).
Module leaders are not prepared at all, very weak and not professionals.
Program leaders women who sit ages on their roles , the uni should change all staff if they want to succeed.

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George Pat...

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Posted Feb 22, 2018 11:50

Universities publish the number of international students that you should expect. So a person that wants a more local or a more global network, can choose universities that are more or less internationally diverse accordingly
Likewise, they usually also publish average work experience and other statistics

If they lied and you were expecting a different cohort, that is reason to complain. If your classmates where as advertised, then you should have researched it more

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Duncan

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Posted Feb 22, 2018 12:33

I stopped listening when you repeated the complaint that the programme leaders are women. Honestly, if you attend a freshers' MBA at a school without AMBA or EQUIS accreditation this is exactly what you can expect.

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Inactive User

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Posted Feb 22, 2018 16:57

Seriously, the fact that the leaders are women shouldn't make any difference.

No networking (because most of students without work and life experience, have very narrow mindset).

Networking means more than just talking to your fellow students. It means attending events and setting up meetings. Making connections. Nobody is going to do this for you.

I'm not defending this school—I think there are much better and well organized schools in the UK—but I think you may have had unrealistic expectations going into this program.

I always suggest that applicants look at schools that require the GMAT, and which are ideally ranked in the FT. That way, you can stack your expectations against real outcomes: for instance, by looking at the international mobility score you can see how many international students were able to make country shifts after graduation.

Seriously, the fact that the leaders are women shouldn't make any difference.

[quote]No networking (because most of students without work and life experience, have very narrow mindset). [/quote]
Networking means more than just talking to your fellow students. It means attending events and setting up meetings. Making connections. Nobody is going to do this for you.

I'm not defending this school—I think there are much better and well organized schools in the UK—but I think you may have had unrealistic expectations going into this program.

I always suggest that applicants look at schools that require the GMAT, and which are ideally ranked in the FT. That way, you can stack your expectations against real outcomes: for instance, by looking at the international mobility score you can see how many international students were able to make country shifts after graduation.

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BenS

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Posted Feb 24, 2018 09:15

Thank you very much for all comments and suggestions (recommendations), really appreciate that. Yeah, it could
be better to choose stronger business school, that’s right. The decision was a mistake- true.
I would like to emphasize that I’m sharing my experience and opinion. All my words are quite adequate, we are all adults and everyone has the right to freedom of speech. And “to listen or not to listen” is a personal right of each individual, we are equal in this forum.
Thank you.

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donho199

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Posted Feb 24, 2018 11:07

I think the real problem is that the people at the top are old women. They make your life even more miserable. Poor you, what can I say, choose wisely.

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Inactive User

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Posted Feb 26, 2018 16:12

Thank you very much for all comments and suggestions (recommendations), really appreciate that. Yeah, it could
be better to choose stronger business school, that’s right. The decision was a mistake- true.
I would like to emphasize that I’m sharing my experience and opinion. All my words are quite adequate, we are all adults and everyone has the right to freedom of speech. And “to listen or not to listen” is a personal right of each individual, we are equal in this forum.
Thank you.

Yes, true. But you have to understand that by singling out women, your comments are interpreted as many on this board as tinged with misogyny, which hurts your arguments. We all have the right to listen and to speak, but in a public forum like this, your words are open to interpretation.

[quote]Thank you very much for all comments and suggestions (recommendations), really appreciate that. Yeah, it could
be better to choose stronger business school, that’s right. The decision was a mistake- true.
I would like to emphasize that I’m sharing my experience and opinion. All my words are quite adequate, we are all adults and everyone has the right to freedom of speech. And “to listen or not to listen” is a personal right of each individual, we are equal in this forum.
Thank you.[/quote]
Yes, true. But you have to understand that by singling out women, your comments are interpreted as many on this board as tinged with misogyny, which hurts your arguments. We all have the right to listen and to speak, but in a public forum like this, your words are open to interpretation.

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SunVas

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Posted Apr 25, 2020 05:09

I received an offer from Liverpool yesterday for MBA.I came across this post when I was browsing about this one.

Surprising...why this one is ranked ahead of Bath,Leeds,Newcastle, Nottingham and Louborough in QS global rankings.

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Adanali01

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Posted Apr 25, 2020 08:26

Thanks for sharing your experience. I saw that the programme is EQUIS and AACSB accredited. Besides the rankings and own research, this accreditations should grant a certain teaching/MBA quality..? Or should students don‘t take accreditation too seriously and focus on other factors like GMAT etc..?

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Duncan

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Posted Apr 25, 2020 08:27

That is a really odd ranking. For example, the QS ranking has Liverpool just ahead if HHL: https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/mba-rankings/europe/2019 if you click through and compare the schools, Liverpool's variables are hugely inferior to the other schools around it. Both employment and salary are two thirds of HHL, for example.

Liverpool is a serious parent and the deal with Laureate produces a serious subsidy for the management school. Ten years ago it was nowhere and now, although it's certainly not excellent, it has built momentum. It's MBA, however, is inexplicably high in the QS ranking.

A bigger issue is the performance of schools like UIBS, the European University and other dubious, for profit, outfits.

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Duncan

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Posted Apr 25, 2020 08:32

Liverpool is certainly going to give an education that is more academically rigourous and balanced than the for profit schools. But that comes with the core curriculum and resources that are needed for AACSB, Equis or AMBA accreditation. Even so, many people are looking for more than academics: they want to work in Europe. So that is aided by the excellent careers services, soft skills training, acculturation, developmental projects, quality internships, group work and alumni networks

PS that's what shools outside the FT ranking often lack, and that's why you need to start selecting schools by using their fit with your goals rather than just a ranking.

[Edited by Duncan on Apr 25, 2020]

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Adanali01

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Posted Apr 25, 2020 09:15

Thanks Duncan, great clarification and „roadmap“ in choosing the right MBA programme.

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Duncan

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Posted Apr 25, 2020 14:09

Anyone can rank anything in any way, even people in Europe. However, the QS MBA ranking is not taken very seriously by people familiar with other rankings. The average MBA salary in the UK Is $117,000 (https://www.emolument.com/salary-reports/universities/uk/15521) .
PS So, for context, the Liverpool MBA's average salary is well below even a very good MSc in management. http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/masters-in-management-2019

[Edited by Duncan on Apr 25, 2020]

Anyone can rank anything in any way, even people in Europe. However, the QS MBA ranking is not taken very seriously by people familiar with other rankings. The average MBA salary in the UK Is $117,000 (<a href="https://www.emolument.com/salary-reports/universities/uk/15521">https://www.emolument.com/salary-reports/universities/uk/15521</a>) .<div><br></div><div>PS So, for context, the Liverpool MBA's average salary is well below even a very good MSc in management. <a href="http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/masters-in-management-2019">http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/masters-in-management-2019</a></div>

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