St john international university mba in Cairo

Shery

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Posted Aug 20, 2012 10:52

Dear all,
I've heard that St John international university in Italy is offering an executive mba to egyptians in cairo and would like to know if it is true and whether it is offering a degree or a certificate for egyptians.

Would appreciate your help.

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Duncan

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Posted Aug 20, 2012 14:19

This for-profit institution is not accredited by any respected MBA accreditation body, or by a US Department of Education approved body.

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moriniross...

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Posted Aug 20, 2012 15:20

They are doing it through a British-Italian organization in Egypt:

www.italy-edu.net

St. John International University was chartered on June 29, 2009 by an Act of the New Hampshire State Legislature. This Charter was only the second such legal recognition granted to an American university specifically established and authorized to deliver approved degree programs in an international setting. The acts of New Hampshire?s Legislature and Postsecondary Education Commission established St. John International University as the first and only American university in Italy authorized and approved to award graduate degrees.
Most of U.S. universities don't have national accreditation which is a voluntary act: don't forget that the U.S. is a federation of states.

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moriniross...

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Posted Aug 20, 2012 15:24

This for-profit institution is not accredited by any respected MBA accreditation body, or by a US Department of Education approved body.

Being for profit in America is not a fault: it's just a matter of paying more taxes. The list of prestigious for-profit universities is very long: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_for-profit_universities_and_colleges

<blockquote>This for-profit institution is not accredited by any respected MBA accreditation body, or by a US Department of Education approved body. </blockquote>

Being for profit in America is not a fault: it's just a matter of paying more taxes. The list of prestigious for-profit universities is very long: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_for-profit_universities_and_colleges

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ralph

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Posted Aug 20, 2012 15:33

Most of U.S. universities don't have national accreditation which is a voluntary act: don't forget that the U.S. is a federation of states.

Accreditation is granted through specialized bodies that ensure the quality of a university. In fact, the US Department of Education maintains a list of accrediting bodies - this is a good place to start if you're looking for a high-quality university.

Accreditation is especially important for MBAs, because of the range of quality among programs. That's why I only recommend programs that are accredited by one of the three respected international accreditation bodies:

AMBA
AACSB
EQUIS

Since this school is not accredited by one of these three bodies, I'd suggest to stay away from it.

<blockquote>Most of U.S. universities don't have national accreditation which is a voluntary act: don't forget that the U.S. is a federation of states.</blockquote>
Accreditation is granted through specialized bodies that ensure the quality of a university. In fact, the US Department of Education maintains a list of accrediting bodies - this is a good place to start if you're looking for a high-quality university.

Accreditation is especially important for MBAs, because of the range of quality among programs. That's why I only recommend programs that are accredited by one of the three respected international accreditation bodies:

AMBA
AACSB
EQUIS

Since this school is not accredited by one of these three bodies, I'd suggest to stay away from it.

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Duncan

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Posted Aug 20, 2012 16:26

It is mistaken to say that

Most of U.S. universities don't have national accreditation which is a voluntary act: don't forget that the U.S. is a federation of states.

I referred to accreditation bodies recognised by the US Department of Education and, in fact, the vast majority of US universities have accreditation by regional or national bodies recognised by the DoE.

New Hampshire's status is unique and, presumably, this business in Italy has put its mail box in New Hampshire exactly in order to be able to exploit it. However, I don't think anyone will think that the state of New Hampshire will be sending people to Italy to verify the facilities or teaching qualities in Italy.

Since Italy is full of wonderful universities with great universities, I can't really recommend that.

It is mistaken to say that
<blockquote>Most of U.S. universities don't have national accreditation which is a voluntary act: don't forget that the U.S. is a federation of states.</blockquote>

I referred to accreditation bodies recognised by the US Department of Education and, in fact, the vast majority of US universities have accreditation by regional or national bodies recognised by the DoE.

New Hampshire's status is unique and, presumably, this business in Italy has put its mail box in New Hampshire exactly in order to be able to exploit it. However, I don't think anyone will think that the state of New Hampshire will be sending people to Italy to verify the facilities or teaching qualities in Italy.

Since Italy is full of wonderful universities with great universities, I can't really recommend that.

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moriniross...

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Posted Aug 20, 2012 16:34

There are many American universities abroad which have the same status of St John: think of the American University of Rome, John Cabot University etc.

How many Italian universities are atop of the international rankings? Only 2... Pisa and Rome I.

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Duncan

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Posted Aug 20, 2012 16:39

That is not the case. AUR, John Cabot etc all have regional accreditation from bodies recognised by the US Department of education.

Your business is in no position to criticise the Italian universities, but the fact remains that Bocconi, MIP, MIB, ESCP and other schools have internationally-accredited MBA programmes which are solid credentials.

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moriniross...

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Posted Aug 20, 2012 16:47

Your business is in no position to criticise the Italian universities, but the fact remains that Bocconi, MIP, MIB, ESCP and other schools have internationally-accredited MBA programmes which are solid credentials.

SDA Bocconi is the only one with an international accreditation.

Allow me to add that this St John MBA has the advantage to be a Master's degree at least.

All SDA, MIP and Luiss MBAs are just certificate programs: they sell you a "master di secondo livello" as though it is a Master's degree, whereas it is just a diploma. If you want to proceed up to a PhD -as most of Egyptian students want to do- you are stuck: even if it's attached to an international accreditation, your SDA Bocconi MBA is not a degree.

<blockquote>
Your business is in no position to criticise the Italian universities, but the fact remains that Bocconi, MIP, MIB, ESCP and other schools have internationally-accredited MBA programmes which are solid credentials. </blockquote>

SDA Bocconi is the only one with an international accreditation.

Allow me to add that this St John MBA has the advantage to be a Master's degree at least.

All SDA, MIP and Luiss MBAs are just certificate programs: they sell you a "master di secondo livello" as though it is a Master's degree, whereas it is just a diploma. If you want to proceed up to a PhD -as most of Egyptian students want to do- you are stuck: even if it's attached to an international accreditation, your SDA Bocconi MBA is not a degree.

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moriniross...

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Posted Aug 20, 2012 16:49

That is not the case. AUR, John Cabot etc all have regional accreditation from bodies recognised by the US Department of education.

We are talking about an Egyptian student (Shery), who most likely doesn't wish to study in the US or can't afford it. It would be interesting to find out if any MBA program in her country has international accreditation.

<blockquote>That is not the case. AUR, John Cabot etc all have regional accreditation from bodies recognised by the US Department of education.</blockquote>

We are talking about an Egyptian student (Shery), who most likely doesn't wish to study in the US or can't afford it. It would be interesting to find out if any MBA program in her country has international accreditation.

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Duncan

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Posted Aug 20, 2012 17:04

Well, that's a cute attempt to change the subject, but I was replying to your comment:

There are many American universities abroad which have the same status of St John: think of the American University of Rome, John Cabot University etc..

Those other universities do not have the same status: they have accreditation recognised by the US Department of Education; you business does not.

Indeed, there are two different forms of masters diplomas in Italy with different acceptance in Italy. However, because of the Bologna process, these are all internationally recognised as masters degrees. The idea that an MBA graduate from Bocconi, MIP, MIB or ESCP would be taken less seriously than someone with an masters awarded by your business is curious.

Yes, one can take an internationally accredited MBA in Egypt -- just not through your business.

Well, that's a cute attempt to change the subject, but I was replying to your comment:
<blockquote>There are many American universities abroad which have the same status of St John: think of the American University of Rome, John Cabot University etc..</blockquote>

Those other universities do not have the same status: they have accreditation recognised by the US Department of Education; you business does not.

Indeed, there are two different forms of masters diplomas in Italy with different acceptance in Italy. However, because of the Bologna process, these are all internationally recognised as masters degrees. The idea that an MBA graduate from Bocconi, MIP, MIB or ESCP would be taken less seriously than someone with an masters awarded by your business is curious.

Yes, one can take an internationally accredited MBA in Egypt -- just not through your business.

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donho199

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Posted Aug 20, 2012 18:19

morinirossi is quite successful in diverting attention and making things up.

What remains is that you deceive people to spend their hard earn money to earn things that does not worth the paper that the degree print on.

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ezra

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Posted Aug 21, 2012 15:38

Your business is in no position to criticise the Italian universities, but the fact remains that Bocconi, MIP, MIB, ESCP and other schools have internationally-accredited MBA programmes which are solid credentials.

SDA Bocconi is the only one with an international accreditation.

Just want to note that this is false - MIB is AMBA-accredited and ESCP has triple accreditation.

American University in Cairo has an AACSB-accredited Egypt-based MBA program - best look into that one.

<blockquote><blockquote>
Your business is in no position to criticise the Italian universities, but the fact remains that Bocconi, MIP, MIB, ESCP and other schools have internationally-accredited MBA programmes which are solid credentials. </blockquote>

SDA Bocconi is the only one with an international accreditation.</blockquote>
Just want to note that this is false - MIB is AMBA-accredited and ESCP has triple accreditation.

American University in Cairo has an AACSB-accredited Egypt-based MBA program - best look into that one.

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matteofrom...

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Posted Jan 25, 2013 18:42

St. John University stands to a higher education instituion like Berlusconi can be called a serious politician.
They are a joke and for the owner, Lorenzina Zampiedri, it is only a money laundring scheme.

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20121021/NEWS02/710219890

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matteofrom...

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Posted Jan 25, 2013 18:45