You are right, Sinagpore is a four language city I would say. Everything in public space like street names are written in 4 languages: Hindi, Malay, Mandarin, and English. Easy to guess that in this city you can survive without Mandarin skills! People living in Singapore are used to integrating people from abroad.
In that sense Hong Kong is not that international.

You are right, Sinagpore is a four language city I would say. Everything in public space like street names are written in 4 languages: Hindi, Malay, Mandarin, and English. Easy to guess that in this city you can survive without Mandarin skills! People living in Singapore are used to integrating people from abroad.
In that sense Hong Kong is not that international.

getting back to schools in Hong Kongs, the HKU and HKUST, how are they perceived? compared lets say to good US schools and CEIBS and Insead Singapore?

Does HKU have a better reputation than HKUST?

CEIBS is good for Marketing and Finance. If you want something else, you may have problems. But CEIBS probably would be more recognizable in Europe and the US. I was thinking about CEIBS myself, I met them in two MBA Fairs, but finally I did not apply because they have neither concentration nor electives in strategic management or enterpreneurship. CEIBS representative also told me that proficiency in Chinese is important to find a job after graduation.

Good US business schools are received well everywhere. But this is a different market segment. In Asian programme you get a different experience, therefore, I would not compare HKU/HKUST/NUS with US schools.

INSEAD Singapore - INSEAD is INSEAD whereever it is. But be sure you know what do you want from your MBA programme. If HKU, HKUST, NUS, and NTU are Asian schools (with Asian experience involved), INSEAD is a global school with only a sight of Asia. These are also two different market segments.

HKU vs HKUST vs CUHK. I would say, 1) HKUST, 2) HKU, 3) CUHK. But this is subjective, as HKUST and HKU programmes are targeted for different groups and offer different education lines.

hindi is not one of the language in singapore but tamil is.
Tamil is the language spoken in tamilnadu(a state in india) and parts of srilanka.

Oops, sorry, you're right. I always thought it was hindi, difficult to tell as well if you don't know Hindi and Tamil. So in my ingnorance I thought, language from India, must be Hindi... too simple!
Anyways, I find it very original and charming that on the 4 official language is one normally spoken in India!

Good US business schools are received well everywhere. But this is a different market segment. In Asian programme you get a different experience, therefore, I would not compare HKU/HKUST/NUS with US schools.

HKU vs HKUST vs CUHK. I would say, 1) HKUST, 2) HKU, 3) CUHK. But this is subjective, as HKUST and HKU programmes are targeted for different groups and offer different education lines.

I assume by good business schools in the US you mean top 15-20? in the Economist ranking both HKU and HKUST are already ahead of many "good" US schools, and they are only going higher. so comparing HK schools with Columbia lets say, sure Columbia all they way, but going down the road, for example Ohio State, Emory or Vanderbilt vs HK schools, then not so sure.

could you elaborate how hku vs hkust are different in terms of what groups they are targeting?

anyone applying/accepted to HKUST pm me.

By "good US schools" I mean top10 or so, such as Harvard, Wharton, Stanford, Chicago GSB, Columbia, Stern, Tuck, MIT, Kellogg, UC Berkeley, UCLA. Such schools as Darden, Johnson, and Fuqua are already not in this group. Fisher in OSU is not even close.

The Economist ranking alone, as well as FT ranking alone are not really representative. You should look at them in combination. Chosing the school I was focusing only on those schools which are in both rankings. It is also interesting that most really good schools are ranked somewhat closely in both rankings.

The difference between HKU and HKUST... Difficult to explain. HKU is a kind of "only global" or "only local" programme. HKUST is more flexible - you can chose global, regional, local, or whatever combinations. The students body in HKU also seems to be less Asian than in HKUST. There are pros and cons - if you are newby in Asia, you may not feel comfortable with HKUST. Also my experience from the MBA Fairs talking to HKU was less pleasant than talking with HKUST. HKUST seems to be more mature, while HKU seems to be more aggressive.

Hello Vasilijs,
Did you have the chance visit HKUST and HKU personally? What was your impression?
I guess with your specialisation you are faimiliar with the language. How important are Chinese language skills to study there? And to live in Hong Kong?
Thanks.

I've actually gotten accepted into both HKU and HKUST - albeit their part-time programs (which are 24-month). I am lucky also in that I was also accepted into the Ivey EMBA program in HK (I'm a Canadian, so the degree is very attractive to me, and the program is different too), although will not be going with that program due to it's cost.

I live in HK today and work here full-time, and the HKU part-time (and full-time) MBA campus' are located in much more convenient locations if you live or work on Hong Kong Island versus HKUST. HKUST is a little bit inconvenient to get to as it's relatively "out of town" - of course the nature of Hong Kong is that nothing is really "out of town" just either convenient or not convenient to get to. They do pitch their location as a positive though, in that the atmosphere is quite different than the rest of Hong Kong because it's a bit remote and pseudo-resort like.

In the PT MBA interviews for HKU and HKUST - it seems as though chinese language skills are more important for HKUST than HKU. The HKUST interviewers explicitly mentioned that many groups and students who take the program will prefer to speak in Chinese in their work groups (I don't myself, although do understand the language relatively well). This might only be a PT MBA issue though, as most people who are taking the PT course I am guessing are locals. The FT MBA course would probably attract more students from abroad.

I think because the location is a bit more difficult to get to and not as central, the PT program attracts local students who actually live close to the school. From HK Island the trip would take probably circa 60 minutes and requires one or two train changes, then a change to a mini-bus or regular bus.

HKU and the students I met who also applied for the PT MBA seemed to be very comfortable conducting conversations in english. The candidates I met were all local, but all educated abroad - US, Canada, Australia. The part-time application process was actually a case-based group observation session conducted fully in English, and by western (i.e. non-chinese) faculty.

I can tell you that I have accepted the HKU offer. Location was the biggest factor in this decision.

I can also tell you though that the HKUST program seems to be a lot more organized and professional than HKU in terms of the admissions process. If HKUST were in a better physical location, or if I was full-time and living on campus - I would think a lot more about the HKUST program.

I know folks at both schools, and they are happy with the education received in both. Job prospects are essentially the same post graduation at both.

I know folks at both schools, and they are happy with the education received in both. Job prospects are essentially the same post graduation at both.


CAN YOU PLEASE ADVISE ME CUHK VS HKUST

I don't know enough about the Chinese University of Hong Kong and it's MBA reputation other than what I've read in the newspapers and business magazines re: rankings. I know someone who went their for their undergraduate degree, but not someone who has completed their MBA program.

They do position, as an advantage, that some of their electives are delivered in Chinese (Cantonese). This was a bit of a disadvantage to me though, as although I understand the language relatively well, it is not my first, or second language, and might actually limit me to what I could choose from an electives standpoint.

The campus is in Shatin, which is an interesting area of Hong Kong as it's quite local and probably most well known for locals for the horsetrack that's there. It's probably a bit more convenient to get to than HKUST - but I don't 100% know as I have not been to the CUHK campus.

(There is also another school called City University of Hong Kong, locally more commonly known as CityU - but also with CUHK as it's initials, I am assuming you were actually referreing to the Chinese University as opposed to CityU)...

I don't know enough about the Chinese University of Hong Kong and it's MBA reputation other than what I've read in the newspapers and business magazines re: rankings. I know someone who went their for their undergraduate degree, but not someone who has completed their MBA program.

They do position, as an advantage, that some of their electives are delivered in Chinese (Cantonese). This was a bit of a disadvantage to me though, as although I understand the language relatively well, it is not my first, or second language, and might actually limit me to what I could choose from an electives standpoint.

The campus is in Shatin, which is an interesting area of Hong Kong as it's quite local and probably most well known for locals for the horsetrack that's there. It's probably a bit more convenient to get to than HKUST - but I don't 100% know as I have not been to the CUHK campus.

(There is also another school called City University of Hong Kong, locally more commonly known as CityU - but also with CUHK as it's initials, I am assuming you were actually referreing to the Chinese University as opposed to CityU)...

CUHK= Chinese University of HK , i hav applied for Full time, and i wanted to know if it is really wht it shows in newspapers and magazine rankings.( in compare with HKUST). If you can help me to find any recent students....pls advise..

anybody with experience in either of these schools?

From what I gathered for someone without Mandarin language skills it is much easier to live in Singapore than Hong Kong. Getting a job/internship also..

any comments?

thats like asking Ohio State vs Michigan vs Columbia..

Hong Kong UST is by far the superior school out of these 3.

It is also the best Finance school in Asia, clearly ahead of CEIBS and INSEAD.

I've actually gotten accepted into both HKU and HKUST - albeit their part-time programs (which are 24-month). I am lucky also in that I was also accepted into the Ivey EMBA program in HK (I'm a Canadian, so the degree is very attractive to me, and the program is different too), although will not be going with that program due to it's cost.

Have you looked at the joint NYU/HKUST M.S. in Global Finance?

http://globalfinance.bm.ust.hk/index.asp

anybody with experience in either of these schools?

From what I gathered for someone without Mandarin language skills it is much easier to live in Singapore than Hong Kong. Getting a job/internship also..

any comments?

I have looked extensively at these 3 schools plus INSEAD and CEIBS. For disclosure purposes I will be attending HK UST's MBA program.

INSEAD - obviously a well known "brand" However when you look at the Singapore campus closely 2 things should strike you right away. #1 quality of the faculty is no way near that of INSEAD-France, #2 very low number of electives, especially in Finance. It truly is a weaker version on European INSEAD with only Asian exposure being the students in the class, and not the Faculty, nor curriculum.

CEIBS - Excellent school if one wants to work in the corporate world in MAINLAND China. If thats what you want to do look no further.

HONG KONG UST BUSINESS SCHOOL - for my needs if offers the best of both worlds. Only school in Asia with specifically developed China curriculum, they offer a concentration in China Business. As well as excellent Finance electives. Executive MBA with Kellogg ranked #3 in the world and recent addition of M.S. in Finance run with NYU, give the shool good exposure outside of Asia. Also, there is an opportunity to exchange to top US and Europe schools. (Columbia, NYU, Berkeley, Chicago, Northwestern, LBS, and others)

HKU - good program but truly lacks the Asian curriculum and has limited exchange opportunities (Columbia, LBS). Also weak in Finance.

NUS - after closer look this school should not be mentioned in the same category as the above ones. It may be an excellent school overall, but MBA/Business school definitely needs a lot of improvement.

The most recent study of Finance Departments in Asia, conducted by Western Kentucky/Univ of Dayton out of all the univs out there.

http://fnalumni.ust.hk/news/Asian_ranking.pdf
ranking is located on page 16 so scroll down

The most recent study of Finance Departments in Asia, conducted by Western Kentucky/Univ of Dayton out of all the univs out there.

http://fnalumni.ust.hk/news/Asian_ranking.pdf
ranking is located on page 16 so scroll down

well, yes, its a well know fact that HK UST is #1 in Asia Finance, thats why NYU signed partnership agreements to develop M.S. in Global Finance with HK UST and not another Asian school.

Hi copernicus, globetraveler and everyone else
What do you think about the City University in Hong Kong?
Thanks, Arun