Choosing-schools. WHU, HHL, ESB, Pforzheim

janelcr

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Posted Feb 22, 2023 17:48

Hi everyone, I am from China and I would like to attend an MBA in Germany and reach my goal of working in Germany, hopefully in the consulting industry, or a tech company. I'd like to switch my career to marketing. But my working background is very weak.

Educational Background:
Bachelor's degree in German
Master in DaF(German as a second language) in Germany
Working Background:
Two years in Germany as a German teacher and DaF-Team Leader
Three years in China as project manager and general manager of a small education company with a mini company in Germany, which I also manage.

So my German is at least C1 level

I am now considering the following B Schools.
first tier: WHU, HHL
second tier: EBS Reutlingen, HS Pforzheim (taking into account the costs)

I don't have a GMAT yet, hopefully I can get a 600 and IELTS should be a 6.5 or a 7.

I'd like to ask, which school I have more chances to get an offer?
Which school is more suitable for me?

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Duncan

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Posted Feb 22, 2023 18:57

Why would you take a general management degree taught in English rather than a marketing master's taught in German? is it because you are not in Germany?

If you are in Germany, since you want to work in marketing, why not take an IHK qualification in marketing? Will a top MBA make you look overqualified?

[Edited by Duncan on Feb 22, 2023]

Why would you take a general management degree taught in English rather than a marketing master's taught in German? is it because you are not in Germany? If you are in Germany, since you want to work in marketing, why not take an IHK qualification in marketing? Will a top MBA make you look overqualified?

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janelcr

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Posted Mar 02, 2023 08:00

Why would you take a general management degree taught in English rather than a marketing master's taught in German? is it because you are not in Germany?

If you are in Germany, since you want to work in marketing, why not take an IHK qualification in marketing? Will a top MBA make you look overqualified?

Hello Duncan,

thanks for answering me. I'm not in Germany now and i would like to get a degree in the management field. And a master program requires always a bachelor in the same or a similar major, which i do not have.

I'm starting to read the admission requirements for the master programs offered by EBS. It seems that it doesn't require a bachelor in the field. Do you know anything about that?

Thanks so much!

[Edited by janelcr on Mar 02, 2023]

[quote]Why would you take a general management degree taught in English rather than a marketing master's taught in German? is it because you are not in Germany? If you are in Germany, since you want to work in marketing, why not take an IHK qualification in marketing? Will a top MBA make you look overqualified?  [/quote] Hello Duncan, thanks for answering me. I'm not in Germany now and i would like to get a degree in the management field. And a master program requires always a bachelor in the same or a similar major, which i do not have. I'm starting to read the admission requirements for the master programs offered by EBS. It seems that it doesn't require a bachelor in the field. Do you know anything about that? Thanks so much!

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Duncan

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Posted Mar 02, 2023 09:21

And a master program requires always a bachelor in the same or a similar major, which i do not have.

This is not the case, as you show in your next sentence.

I'm starting to read the admission requirements for the master programs offered by EBS. It seems that it doesn't require a bachelor in the field. Do you know anything about that

I know a fair bit about EBS. Try searching the board and coming back with a specific question. It's not a great school at placing foreign students.

[quote][quote]And a master program requires always a bachelor in the same or a similar major, which i do not have.[/quote] This is not the case, as you show in your next sentence. [quote][quote]I'm starting to read the admission requirements for the master programs offered by EBS. It seems that it doesn't require a bachelor in the field. Do you know anything about that[/quote] I know a fair bit about EBS. Try searching the board and coming back with a specific question. It's not a great school at placing foreign students.

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evanrj

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Posted Mar 24, 2023 08:44

Full disclosure, I currently go to ESB. I just want to clarify that EBS and ESB are different schools entirely. For the sake of this, I will assume - since you reference Reutlingen - that you are actually talking about ESB Business School, not EBS.

If that is the case, then I would offer the following:

1. The MBA program is a general management program, and as such it is not necessary - or even desired - for the bachelors degree to be business related. In my MBA class I am the only one with a business undergrad degree, which is in information systems. Everyone else has a wide range of backgrounds.

2. Again, assuming you are talking about ESB, they are fine at placing foreign students. I am not sure what Duncan is referring to. My entire class is foreign students. They have a great Career Center that helps with placements, a strong set of corporate partners which recruit from the school - listed here: https://www.esb-business-school.de/en/for-businesses/partnerships, they have two job fairs a year, and to be honest, because it is a University of Applied Sciences, the professors have industry connections. I have gotten more out of the latter than anything else. The ability to network into industry through guest lecturers and speakers is amazing and professors are willing to connect you to their contacts as well. There is a mandatory 2 month internship as part of the program which many people in the current and last class use to solidify jobs in their fields. I am pretty much set because of their ability to place people. For what its worth, I have been very happy with both the program as well as the networking and industry connection aspects. They claim a 97% alumni job placement rate. I do not know if that is up-to-date, but it would not surprise me.

I can relate a little bit since I come from an Information Systems background and am now in marketing, so I understand the career shift issue. Again, I could be biased since I attend here as part of the MBA program, but I have not seen any of your concerns in real life. To the contrary, it has been a great setup for my move to Germany.

Full disclosure, I currently go to ESB. I just want to clarify that EBS and ESB are different schools entirely. For the sake of this, I will assume - since you reference Reutlingen - that you are actually talking about ESB Business School, not EBS. If that is the case, then I would offer the following: 1. The MBA program is a general management program, and as such it is not necessary - or even desired - for the bachelors degree to be business related. In my MBA class I am the only one with a business undergrad degree, which is in information systems. Everyone else has a wide range of backgrounds. 2. Again, assuming you are talking about ESB, they are fine at placing foreign students. I am not sure what Duncan is referring to. My entire class is foreign students. They have a great Career Center that helps with placements, a strong set of corporate partners which recruit from the school - listed here: https://www.esb-business-school.de/en/for-businesses/partnerships, they have two job fairs a year, and to be honest, because it is a University of Applied Sciences, the professors have industry connections. I have gotten more out of the latter than anything else. The ability to network into industry through guest lecturers and speakers is amazing and professors are willing to connect you to their contacts as well. There is a mandatory 2 month internship as part of the program which many people in the current and last class use to solidify jobs in their fields. I am pretty much set because of their ability to place people. For what its worth, I have been very happy with both the program as well as the networking and industry connection aspects. They claim a 97% alumni job placement rate. I do not know if that is up-to-date, but it would not surprise me. I can relate a little bit since I come from an Information Systems background and am now in marketing, so I understand the career shift issue. Again, I could be biased since I attend here as part of the MBA program, but I have not seen any of your concerns in real life. To the contrary, it has been a great setup for my move to Germany.

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Rajat Shar...

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Posted Mar 24, 2023 10:26

Just to clarify,
EBS (Frankfurt, not AACSB accredited, Private b-school)
is NOT
ESB (Reutlingen, AACSB accredited, Public b-school)...

Being a current student at ESB, I can assure, ESB do place significant effort to get students placed via job fair and dedicated job portal and career cell, but still just like it's common in entire Germany, one has to be proactive in finding their own job, and I think, this is something the least expected out of an MBA candidate.

Just to clarify,  EBS (Frankfurt, not AACSB accredited, Private b-school)  is NOT  ESB (Reutlingen, AACSB accredited, Public b-school)...  Being a current student at ESB, I can assure, ESB do place significant effort to get students placed via job fair and dedicated job portal and career cell, but still just like it's common in entire Germany, one has to be proactive in finding their own job, and I think, this is something the least expected out of an MBA candidate.

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Rajat Shar...

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Posted Mar 24, 2023 10:38

Hi everyone, I am from China and I would like to attend an MBA in Germany and reach my goal of working in Germany, hopefully in the consulting industry, or a tech company. I'd like to switch my career to marketing. But my working background is very weak.

Educational Background:
Bachelor's degree in German
Master in DaF(German as a second language) in Germany
Working Background:
Two years in Germany as a German teacher and DaF-Team Leader
Three years in China as project manager and general manager of a small education company with a mini company in Germany, which I also manage.

So my German is at least C1 level

I am now considering the following B Schools.
first tier: WHU, HHL
second tier: EBS Reutlingen, HS Pforzheim (taking into account the costs)

I don't have a GMAT yet, hopefully I can get a 600 and IELTS should be a 6.5 or a 7.

I'd like to ask, which school I have more chances to get an offer?
Which school is more suitable for me?

Hi,
EBS is not in Reutlingen, and ESB from Reutlingen in public b-school, AACSB accredited, and all the faculty at this school have great research and industrial expeirence, amazing faculty and infra.

How to I know, I am a current batch student here, and I have 10+ years of work experience in IT industry (you can see my profile for more).

In short - ESB (Reutlingen, AACSB accredited) is in no way 2nd tier, The quality of course is top notch. The course of great value for money, it is a short course, so you are not wasting those important months and can get back into industry pretty soon.

ESB, being public b-school, don't put that much emphasis on marketing as compared to other private b-schools, but post it's AACSB accreditation, it's getting more and more popular organically.

[quote]Hi everyone, I am from China and I would like to attend an MBA in Germany and reach my goal of working in Germany, hopefully in the consulting industry, or a tech company. I'd like to switch my career to marketing. But my working background is very weak.

Educational Background:
Bachelor's degree in German
Master in DaF(German as a second language) in Germany
Working Background:
Two years in Germany as a German teacher and DaF-Team Leader
Three years in China as project manager and general manager of a small education company with a mini company in Germany, which I also manage.

So my German is at least C1 level

I am now considering the following B Schools.
first tier: WHU, HHL
second tier: EBS Reutlingen, HS Pforzheim (taking into account the costs)

I don't have a GMAT yet, hopefully I can get a 600 and IELTS should be a 6.5 or a 7.

I'd like to ask, which school I have more chances to get an offer?
Which school is more suitable for me? [/quote] Hi,  EBS is not in Reutlingen, and ESB from Reutlingen in public b-school, AACSB accredited, and all the faculty at this school have great research and industrial expeirence, amazing faculty and infra.  How to I know, I am a current batch student here, and I have 10+ years of work experience in IT industry (you can see my profile for more). In short - ESB (Reutlingen, AACSB accredited) is in no way 2nd tier, The quality of course is top notch. The course of great value for money, it is a short course, so you are not wasting those important months and can get back into industry pretty soon.  ESB, being public b-school, don't put that much emphasis on marketing as compared to other private b-schools, but post it's AACSB accreditation, it's getting more and more popular organically.

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Sourabh Ja...

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Posted Apr 05, 2023 14:02

Hi everyone, I am from China and I would like to attend an MBA in Germany and reach my goal of working in Germany, hopefully in the consulting industry, or a tech company. I'd like to switch my career to marketing. But my working background is very weak.

Educational Background:
Bachelor's degree in German
Master in DaF(German as a second language) in Germany
Working Background:
Two years in Germany as a German teacher and DaF-Team Leader
Three years in China as project manager and general manager of a small education company with a mini company in Germany, which I also manage.

So my German is at least C1 level

I am now considering the following B Schools.
first tier: WHU, HHL
second tier: EBS Reutlingen, HS Pforzheim (taking into account the costs)

I don't have a GMAT yet, hopefully I can get a 600 and IELTS should be a 6.5 or a 7.

I'd like to ask, which school I have more chances to get an offer?
Which school is more suitable for me?

Hello,

I am Sourabh Jagtap, a MBA student at Pforzheim University.
I See that ou have a great profile, with a diverse work expreience backgroup and international exposure that you possess, having a MBA is undoubtedly a right decision you made.

With respect your decision on deciding a university for your MBA journey, I would like to add some key insights from my experience that you might find helpful.

The Pforzheim MBA would help you in several aspects of your MBA journey, the curriculum taught here is what the industries are looking for which makes you most employable, and also the professors teaching the subjects have remained the experts and high level managers and leaders of their respective fields. In addition to that, you have opportunities to connect with job market through career events, meet mastersm guest in class sessions, excurstion company visits. Pforzheim university also has a specialisation track in third semester where you can choose specialisatoins like consulting, marketing, finance etc.

After this you can either continue in your current field at a senior level, or you can also go ahead and totally switch your career using the experience from the MBA journey.

I hope this information helped you, feel free to ask me further questions,

Sourabh Jagtap

[quote]Hi everyone, I am from China and I would like to attend an MBA in Germany and reach my goal of working in Germany, hopefully in the consulting industry, or a tech company. I'd like to switch my career to marketing. But my working background is very weak.

Educational Background:
Bachelor's degree in German
Master in DaF(German as a second language) in Germany
Working Background:
Two years in Germany as a German teacher and DaF-Team Leader
Three years in China as project manager and general manager of a small education company with a mini company in Germany, which I also manage.

So my German is at least C1 level

I am now considering the following B Schools.
first tier: WHU, HHL
second tier: EBS Reutlingen, HS Pforzheim (taking into account the costs)

I don't have a GMAT yet, hopefully I can get a 600 and IELTS should be a 6.5 or a 7.

I'd like to ask, which school I have more chances to get an offer?
Which school is more suitable for me? [/quote] Hello,  I am Sourabh Jagtap, a MBA student at Pforzheim University.  I See that ou have a great profile, with a diverse work expreience backgroup and international exposure that you possess, having a MBA is undoubtedly a right decision you made.  With respect your decision on deciding a university for your MBA journey, I would like to add some key insights from my experience that you might find helpful.  The Pforzheim MBA would help you in several aspects of your MBA journey, the curriculum taught here is what the industries are looking for which makes you most employable, and also the professors teaching the subjects have remained the experts and high level managers and leaders of their respective fields. In addition to that, you have opportunities to connect with job market through career events, meet mastersm guest in class sessions, excurstion company visits. Pforzheim university also has a specialisation track in third semester where you can choose specialisatoins like consulting, marketing, finance etc.  After this you can either continue in your current field at a senior level, or you can also go ahead and totally switch your career using the experience from the MBA journey.  I hope this information helped you, feel free to ask me further questions,  Sourabh Jagtap

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