What are your goals?

An Alum of ESCP myself, I would choose HEC in a blink of eyes. There are INSEAD and then HEC and the rest. Schools like EDHEC, ESSEC or ESCP will take years to catch up with where HEC is right now.

Decades...

... I’m talking about an Emba ! Not the business school. What surprises me is the Emba of HEC is not ranked among the financial times ranking ! Whereas ESCP one is number 10 this year !

...I was wondering exactly the same. And I still do.
Willing to enroll in a EMBA next september, for both location and cost reasons, I'm interested in HEC and ESCP. But unlike ESCP's one, EMBA HEC is not listed for years within FT ranking. Weird given the reputation of such business school.
If anyone can come up with some intel, that would be appreciated.

Obviously HEC is in the ranking, with the Trium programme http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/trium/executive-mba-ranking-2017#executive-mba-ranking-2017

HEC is certainly a great school, but I assume that its senior executive candidates go for Trium, leaving the EMBA aimed at self-funded candidates at an earlier stage in their career while corporate-funded candidates go to Trium, ESCP Europe or ESSEC. See this interview at https://poetsandquantsforexecs.com/2016/07/26/hec-paris-modernize-executive-program/

You're right Duncan. Trium is definitely one of the best EMBA program and is obviously listed in FT ranking. What I (and i guess Olivier as well) was surprised of is not seeing the EMBA "HEC only" in this ranking...whereas EMBA ESCP appears in rank 10th this year, 12th last year...
I just don't get it, especially since HEC is indeed a great business school.
Besides, if you are self-funded for EMBA and regardless of the quality of those 2 great schools, ESCP is a far better deal than HEC with 15 KEUR difference for 2018 tuition fees.

Well, if the Non-Trium option is for self-funded candidates looking to change career or develop new businesses, then of course their career options and salary progress will be limited.

Duncan do you consider hec non-trium not good ?

I'm sure it's fine. However, the fact that it doesn't make it into the FT ranking is the direct result of HEC positioning it at career changers and entrepreneurs rather than at the traditional EMBA market of people, often with company support, trying to make the transition into senior corporate management roles. There's certainly a niche market for that, and HEC supports that by have an EMBA which is basically a general management program plus a specialised executive education certificate. Who else has an EMBA for entrepreneurs other than EMLyon, maybe ESMT and Imperial? It's a great way to support that niche. But.... compare that with what you get with another EMBA: six or seven campus sessions (each generally a bit less than a week) compared to twice as much time with Warwick, LBS etc.

So... honestly, I can't really see who would benefit from this more than, say, the HEC certificate plus the GMP at ESCP Europe or the AMP at LBS, which would give you two great alumni networks.

Duncan, thanks for you long answer

Does that mean that in your point of view if you are not looking for "entrepreneurship" it is understandable to make ESCP choice rather than HEC (tuition are less indeed)

To be honest I am admitted to HEC 2018 but hesitate a lot when I see the profile of the jury I met and some candidates (look like there are all in transition or trying to break some glassdoor) whereas in my objective it is more to gain corporate HQ position.

I think you understand you exactly. This is an EMBA for outsiders. The whole point of HEC's grande ecole programme is that it's for insiders. You work like a dog to get through the prepa, and then HEC is where you network, drink wine, play rugby, network and build leadership and soft skills. But in *this* EMBA there will be some rough diamonds: people who are not successful enough in their current role to be supported through the EMBA or to want to stay in their current role and industry. This could be a volatile group, with a lot of highs and lows. I spent a year in the EMBA at EDHEC, in comparison, and this was a very stable group of senior managers, I think just one of these 'outsider' types. I feel I learnt a lot about managerial success from my classmates, and part of the reason I moved to the EMBA at LBS was that I saw the quality of the classmates was a key thing for me, alongside the pedagogy.

If I was in Paris, I would look at the EMBA or the executive MSc SMIB at ESSEC, and I would look at the Paris campuses of EMLyon, ESCP Europe, Neoma and EDHEC.

PS The dual EMBAs at ESSEC and ENPC are impressive:
https://pontsbschool.com/programs/global-executive-mba/program-highlights/
http://www.essec-mannheim.com/

That would be great to get a feed-back from some EMBA non-Trium alumni anyhow

I think you can get that easily from LinkedIn, but of course there's some feedback you won't get easily, since they have a natural bias. I think a look at their profiles will be instructive. https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/people/?facetSchool=%5B%2212443%22%5D&keywords=HEC%20EMBA%20-trium&origin=GLOBAL_SEARCH_HEADER

From what I have seen out of HEC emba (non-Trium) from linkedin, are a bit ahead of hte ESCP (position wise at work)

Also ESCP is 22M whereas HEC is 16M, even if tuitions are more for HEC these 6 months out can make the difference on the overall balance. I've done calculation with a +30% following the diploma obtention

Okay, but are you comparing *this* HEC EMBA? Remember, HEC used to have a traditional EMBA, very much inspired by the CPA. Then five years ago they launched the new EMBA with a small core followed by an executive certificate. You need to look at people who graduated in 2015 or later.

I think 22 months is better than 16 months: more learning and a deeper experience.

Yes I compared this specific MBA and éven typed major associated to avoid any mistake.

Now looking at thé sélection process it is more demanding @ HEC.

Difficult to decide at the end....

Okay: good luck!

Dear all
Admitted to both EMBA ESCP and ESSEC-MANNHEIM what is the best option if I expect to work in the energy industry or to start my own business?