Judge vs INSEAD
Posted Mar 07, 2017 17:47
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Posted Mar 10, 2017 10:40
[Edited by Duncan on Mar 10, 2017]
Posted Mar 10, 2017 17:49
Whether the faculty in one school is more rigorous than in another probably has more to do with their personality and style than with the school they happen to work for.
Whether the faculty in one school is more rigorous than in another probably has more to do with their personality and style than with the school they happen to work for.
Posted Mar 20, 2017 15:56
I think the advice is go to the best school you can **for your goal**. Insead is a school for consulting and IB. It rejects candidates that Cambridge actively seeks. Academically, you will clearly have a more rigorous education at Insead. Given that you are not already working in business, you will be lucky to be offered a place at Insead.
As my "goal" is not perfectly defined as of today, am I right in assuming that broadly speaking Insead would be the better choice? For my particular circumstances it would be about twice as expensive. Do you think the difference in quality would justify that? I intend to look for London based jobs post-graduation, which do you think would be more helpful?
As my "goal" is not perfectly defined as of today, am I right in assuming that broadly speaking Insead would be the better choice? For my particular circumstances it would be about twice as expensive. Do you think the difference in quality would justify that? I intend to look for London based jobs post-graduation, which do you think would be more helpful?
Posted Feb 16, 2018 11:40
INSEAD is very strong in other aspects such as consulting thanks to the impressive and profitable agreements it has with top consulting firms.
Regarding the Network, Cambridge University alumni will be willing to help as much as any INSEAD alumni would.
If you worry about your future career, as long as you go to a top business school that shows average salaries around 100.000 $ after graduation, it is more your personal feats that will be relevant for potential recruiters.
For instance, get a 99th percentile GMAT and you already beat most business school students on one very objective metric. Using the name of your school as a smokescreen will not save you from that: HR hire you, not the school.
INSEAD is very strong in other aspects such as consulting thanks to the impressive and profitable agreements it has with top consulting firms.
Regarding the Network, Cambridge University alumni will be willing to help as much as any INSEAD alumni would.
If you worry about your future career, as long as you go to a top business school that shows average salaries around 100.000 $ after graduation, it is more your personal feats that will be relevant for potential recruiters.
For instance, get a 99th percentile GMAT and you already beat most business school students on one very objective metric. Using the name of your school as a smokescreen will not save you from that: HR hire you, not the school.
Posted Feb 16, 2018 13:10
Judge fell from 5th to 13th in the recent FT MBA ranking: http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/global-mba-ranking-2018 The salary gap between the two schools is wider.
That said, there are advantages to Judge. Cambridge sounds impressive, and the college system means that Judge students are tied to the university in the way that Insead students are not well connected to the other schools in the Sorbonne University which Insead is part of, although there are joint programmes like the LLM.
[Edited by Duncan on Feb 16, 2018]
Judge fell from 5th to 13th in the recent FT MBA ranking: http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/global-mba-ranking-2018 The salary gap between the two schools is wider.
That said, there are advantages to Judge. Cambridge sounds impressive, and the college system means that Judge students are tied to the university in the way that Insead students are not well connected to the other schools in the Sorbonne University which Insead is part of, although there are joint programmes like the LLM.
Posted Feb 21, 2018 19:46
HR hire you, not the school.
Well, yes and no. Some companies will barely give you a second glance for certain positions if you didn't go to Insead or LBS *cough* McKinsey. Not to say that it's impossible to get your foot into a company like that without that name brand on your degree, but your odds of doing so are much, much higher.
Well, yes and no. Some companies will barely give you a second glance for certain positions if you didn't go to Insead or LBS *cough* McKinsey. Not to say that it's impossible to get your foot into a company like that without that name brand on your degree, but your odds of doing so are much, much higher.
Posted Feb 22, 2018 08:24
1. Cambridge/Judge is a target school for McKinsey. Yes, INSEAD feeds tons of consultants to MBB, but Judge won't be perceived as being any less.
2. Cambridge name is much stronger beyond the business community. From my interview with an INSEAD alumni, he frankly admitted that INSEAD's brand only really raise eyebrows from C-suite level and MBB firms, so he can't pull the "I went to INSEAD" card as effectively as "I went to Cambridge" card. This can be generalised in his interactions as an MBB consultant so far, but particularly relevant in APAC.
3. Rankings fluctuate - Judge was 5th last year, beating LBS. And this time, Judge slipped a few places (but this is only ONE ranking). There are 5 or more rankings - which one do you really want to rely one.
4. Judge is heavily aligned to Tech (google, amazon companies). INSEAD in proportion is less. Also, Judge is very big on entrepreneurship, as its very closely associated with Silicon Fen (the biggest tech entrepreneurship cluster in Europe, and biggest outside silicon valley).
5. College system gives you a different experience - DRAMATICALLY. Been to both campuses, INSEAD doesn't give you a campus feel, and the lecture halls are named after the consulting firms. From the outset, you can already feel how "corporate" the school is. Judge is more quirky.
1. Cambridge/Judge is a target school for McKinsey. Yes, INSEAD feeds tons of consultants to MBB, but Judge won't be perceived as being any less.
2. Cambridge name is much stronger beyond the business community. From my interview with an INSEAD alumni, he frankly admitted that INSEAD's brand only really raise eyebrows from C-suite level and MBB firms, so he can't pull the "I went to INSEAD" card as effectively as "I went to Cambridge" card. This can be generalised in his interactions as an MBB consultant so far, but particularly relevant in APAC.
3. Rankings fluctuate - Judge was 5th last year, beating LBS. And this time, Judge slipped a few places (but this is only ONE ranking). There are 5 or more rankings - which one do you really want to rely one.
4. Judge is heavily aligned to Tech (google, amazon companies). INSEAD in proportion is less. Also, Judge is very big on entrepreneurship, as its very closely associated with Silicon Fen (the biggest tech entrepreneurship cluster in Europe, and biggest outside silicon valley).
5. College system gives you a different experience - DRAMATICALLY. Been to both campuses, INSEAD doesn't give you a campus feel, and the lecture halls are named after the consulting firms. From the outset, you can already feel how "corporate" the school is. Judge is more quirky.
Posted Feb 22, 2018 11:03
If you have a first degree from a reputed college then why worry?
Collegiate experience is something 24 year-old from a formerly polytechnique would value we do MBA for career.
If you have a first degree from a reputed college then why worry?
Collegiate experience is something 24 year-old from a formerly polytechnique would value we do MBA for career.
Posted Feb 22, 2018 15:15
Rankings do fluctuate, but serious rankings never have Judge above Insead.
Rankings do fluctuate, but serious rankings never have Judge above Insead.
Posted Feb 22, 2018 19:58
Posted Mar 05, 2018 15:01
Few companies will fall for people using the name of their schools as a smokescreen. In the top 20 MBAs your resume will be read. That is the essential message of my post, but it seems I have left room for misinterpretation.
Then it comes down to your profile: Higher analytical skills than your other MBA competitors? Language skills? Soft skills? Business experience? Contacts in the sector you want to advise? Experience in this sector? Charisma?...
Duncan, "Doriton is mistaken in thinking that the faculty differences are only down to personality. " I did not mean that. I talked about Cursus as a set of courses taught by a pedagogic team. It was maybe not crystal clear, but the interpretation you made is not fair.
Using the same rhetorical device I could say:
"Duncan is mistaken thinking that averaged adjusted US$ PPP equivalent salaries (that can reach peaks thanks to people working in weak economies) reported by 38% of alumni is the only parameter considered by HR. Moreover, he believes that pedagogical skills equal research results." You simply never said that...
Your argument about postgraduate and undergraduate is controversial: Judge has undergraduates but not in the MBA classroom. The ranking argument is also controversial: if people willing to invest so much money in their education were simple sheep, the rankings would be sufficient and this discussion would not exist.
Again there is a minimum, you need something within the top 20 to be perceived as having received a great education. Then if you are looking for an MBA, start making decisions with your money like a real businessman would: discuss with Alumni, professors, and HR of your target sector. Ask how can they help you reach your goals. Then select the school most able to help you with your personal projects.
Few companies will fall for people using the name of their schools as a smokescreen. In the top 20 MBAs your resume will be read. That is the essential message of my post, but it seems I have left room for misinterpretation.
Then it comes down to your profile: Higher analytical skills than your other MBA competitors? Language skills? Soft skills? Business experience? Contacts in the sector you want to advise? Experience in this sector? Charisma?...
Duncan, "Doriton is mistaken in thinking that the faculty differences are only down to personality. " I did not mean that. I talked about Cursus as a set of courses taught by a pedagogic team. It was maybe not crystal clear, but the interpretation you made is not fair.
Using the same rhetorical device I could say:
"Duncan is mistaken thinking that averaged adjusted US$ PPP equivalent salaries (that can reach peaks thanks to people working in weak economies) reported by 38% of alumni is the only parameter considered by HR. Moreover, he believes that pedagogical skills equal research results." You simply never said that...
Your argument about postgraduate and undergraduate is controversial: Judge has undergraduates but not in the MBA classroom. The ranking argument is also controversial: if people willing to invest so much money in their education were simple sheep, the rankings would be sufficient and this discussion would not exist.
Again there is a minimum, you need something within the top 20 to be perceived as having received a great education. Then if you are looking for an MBA, start making decisions with your money like a real businessman would: discuss with Alumni, professors, and HR of your target sector. Ask how can they help you reach your goals. Then select the school most able to help you with your personal projects.
Posted Mar 05, 2018 21:09
Posted Mar 06, 2018 08:44
I do not know if that makes the world flat, but I believe that can help people make better decisions than self-reported information.
Regarding statistics, I also encourage people to take them with a pinch of salt even when they are presented as very complete: 50% of humanity have 2 testicles, 50% have 2 ovaries, that does not make the average human a hermaphrodite with 1 of each.
I do not know if that makes the world flat, but I believe that can help people make better decisions than self-reported information.
Regarding statistics, I also encourage people to take them with a pinch of salt even when they are presented as very complete: 50% of humanity have 2 testicles, 50% have 2 ovaries, that does not make the average human a hermaphrodite with 1 of each.
Posted Mar 06, 2018 08:58
Posted Mar 08, 2018 16:59
Again that is just my 2 cents but I would easily trade a huge volume of self-reported data from various unknown profiles against a personal feedback issued by people who had a look at my profile and are working at my target companies.
Switching gears between big picture (finding respected schools) and personal interests (your needs) is essential.
[Edited by Doriton on Mar 09, 2018]
Again that is just my 2 cents but I would easily trade a huge volume of self-reported data from various unknown profiles against a personal feedback issued by people who had a look at my profile and are working at my target companies.
Switching gears between big picture (finding respected schools) and personal interests (your needs) is essential.
Posted Mar 08, 2018 18:55
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