The ESC schools are at a much higher level than the others. Rennes is far better than the others.

After than I would put ESLSCA, then Offenburg, then Berlin.

Thank you very much for suggestion. Could you tell more about their quality of teaching and placement for non EU guys. Also is GMAT mandatory?


Thank you again for your guidance.

Quality will be in line with the tuition fees. Much stronger at Rennes. My guess is Berlin will be pretty basic and old fashioned. The Offenburg programme looks professional and will be well run. Ask them for placement. If you don't speak the lOcal language options are very limited.

I Thank you again Duncan.
Please also give your opinion about following schools.

1. IFAM Business School
2. Paris School of Business (ESG)
3. Hochschule Furtwangen University

I think these are generally worse than the schools you mentioned earlier. None of them have respected, international accreditation.

Furtwangen probably has a better MBA experience, but ESG is part of a bigger school. IFAM at least has partner university programmes which allow you to get a US-accredited MBA. I don't think any of these programmes will attract high quality students and recruiters.

Thank you Duncan for the information.
It would be helpful if you could suggest more schools in Germany and France like ESC or ESLSCA or IBC.

Take a look at http://www.mastersportal.eu/#advanced

To be honest, I would not recommend a programme without AACSB, AMBA or EQUIS accreditation.

I have to take issue with Duncan's comment "None of them have respected, international accreditation."

The HFU Furtwangen course is FIBAA accredited and the course itself receives high marks from this accreditation body. FIBAA is a German agency tasked to ensure that German university programs meet high international standards. If you know the Germans like I know Germans, their quality standards are very high indeed.

I took the MBA program in 2009 and found the courses to be very good and thourough. Yes, some courses could have been better. Others were good but not exceptional. But some like Strategic Management, Leadership, and Managing Cultural Diversity were top-notch.

When I got back to my home country, I had an independent agency confirm that my MBA degree was fully equivalent with any other MBA degree issued by a Canadian university, for which I would have likely paid five times the tuition fees.

The HFU MBA is a solid program at an exceptional value in a very picturesque part of the country. If you can afford a bigger name university, of course go there. I would have gone to Harvard if I had the money and connections. The HFU program is a great MBA choice for those who don't and want to spend a year in a picturesque part of southern Germany.

Cheers.

What do you take issue with? Most Canadian MBAs do not have respected international accreditation (AACSB, Equis or AMBA) and neither does Furtwagen. It totally exceeds the minimum standards for a masters degree. But the point I am making is that the Furtwagen MBA is not at a higher level that candidates should be aware of.

The HFU Furtwangen course is FIBAA accredited and the course itself receives high marks from this accreditation body. FIBAA is a German agency tasked to ensure that German university programs meet high international standards. If you know the Germans like I know Germans, their quality standards are very high indeed.

Indeed, and I'd argue that, in contrast to those in most other European states, MBA programs in Germany have a uniquely independent relationship with international accreditation bodies. I'd argue that the FIBAA is a good gauge of quality in Germany, but I think that as these schools increase their international visibility, more and more will seek (and receive) accreditation from AACSB, AMBA, or EQUIS.

In terms of HFU, I'm fairly impressed by what I've seen of the medical/healthcare MBA. If I were looking for a program like this, I think this one would be ideal, simply because it's so close to the nascent medical industry in Baden-Württemberg.

I don't agree that FIBAA is a measure of high quality. As far as I can see, the vast majority of MBA students in Germany are in FIBAA accredited programmes. It's a measure of meeting minimum criteria, not high standards. Were it otherwise, they would not all be accredited. It is more like ABS status in the UK. To meet international standards, the programmes woe need not just academic criteria but also career support and professional development.

Hi Duncan , I got admission in ESLSCA business school , i just want to know about this , please help me Duncan


my mail address is : [email protected]

please help me

thanks in advance

What do you want to know? What other schools have you applied to? What are your career goals? Are you a European citizen? How good is your French?

I am from India . I am planning to settle over in France for 3 years after my MBA , i am planning to apply for SKEMA business school also . But i listened that ESLSCA is rich enough to reach my goal that as to work in France with nice job . How far it is good to my career . Can i get a nice job after studying my MBA in ESLSCA business school ?? . I am basic learner in French .As we compare to SKEMA , tution fees is also very less for ESLSCA . So , please suggest me is ESLSCA is best for my career ??

And some guys are saying that ESLSCA is not internationally recognized, how far it is true ?? please suggest me Duncan .

Unless you speak Feench to a professional standard, or are a highly skilled professional with a very rare skill, I don't see how you can hope to find an MBA level job in France. If you are a basic learner now, then you will not have French at a professional level after a year studying in English.

SKEMA is a much stronger school, but even it cannot do miracles.

If France is your goal, take a full time year learning French and then take a masters taught in French.

Thank you Duncan . I just want to know one more thing , If i am rich enough in managing French by learning after joining there in ESLSCA business school then can i find more opportunities to find a job there ? In among SKEMA and ESLSCA , SKEMA is better one but even with ESLSCA if opportunities are more to find better jobs after doing my MBA means i won't think for SKEMA . If you say SKEMA is very better than ESLSCA for getting jobs means then i will think about SKEMA . Please suggest me.

Thanks in advance .

You won't be able to learn French to a professional standard at the same time as taking a full-time MBA in English. It would take a year of full-time study by itself.

Skema is *at least* twice as good as ESLSCA. See for example: http://www.eduniversal-ranking.com/business-school-university-ranking-in-france.html

Only Skema gets into the main ranking of French grande ecoles - http://www.letudiant.fr/palmares/classement-esc.html - and comes in 6th place when it comes to recognition by enterprises.

ESLSCA is, as far as I can see, best known on this website for its programme in Cairo. I would not assume that international students on its English-language have strong careers outcomes, unless the school can give you data otherwise.

Thank you Duncan and while studying there , after completing our studies for 15 months we can extend our visa for 2 years no , in that i can improve my french and i can be try for doing nice jobs in France no ?

You'll need to study French full time before you can find work. The choice is whether you do it before, or after, your MBA. I suggest you learn French before your MBA, not after it. There are numerous advantages to that:-
- you will have more time to research alternatives to ESLSCA, and perhaps get into a well known school
- you will have the options of bilingual or French-languages programmes, which will be better and perhaps cheaper
- you will have more choice of internships during your studies
- you will be meeting employers during the MBA who, because you will at that time be able to speak French, will have a better understanding of your value
- you will not be competing with the following year's MBA graduates.