Best MSc & MiM degrees for international students' placement

Duncan

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Posted Mar 08, 2018 22:02

[Edited by Duncan on Oct 03, 2020]

In this post, I pick the 40 FT-ranked schools with the highest international mobility in the FT MiM 2020 ranking, remove the ten with the fewest international students, and then remove the ten remaining with the lowest employment ("placement", in earlier rankings). <br>
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The 20 best schools are below, sorted by their three year FT ranking from top to bottom. The * after the names of some schools means it made the top 20 also in 2019, and ** means also in 2018, using the same method.<br>
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A similar approach is used to compare MBA programmes here: https://find-mba.com/board/general-forum/best-schools-for-international-students-placement-35651 <br>
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</div><div>  London Business School
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</div><div>  University College Dublin: Smurfit
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</div><div>  Esade Business School
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</div><div>  Imperial College Business School
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</div><div>  Nova School of Business and Economics
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</div><div>  University of Sydney Business School
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</div><div>  Maastricht University School of Business and Economics
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Only one of those is in the bottom half of the 2020 FT MSc ranking, compared to several in the MBA ranking, showing that good outcomes are less likely for students without stellar GMAT scores and vert applications. The exception is Maastrict. </div>

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laurie

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Posted Mar 09, 2018 17:47

Nice list, Duncan!

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Michele Pi...

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Posted Apr 25, 2018 02:48

Hi Duncan,
I'm an Italian student that graduated from Bocconi University undergrad program in BA and Management a couple of years ago. Finally I'm able to follow my studies.
I've been offered a place at TIAS and Cranfield for a 1 year MiM.
Which one should I pick?

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Duncan

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Posted Apr 25, 2018 09:43

Cranfield, unless you speak Dutch.

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Michele Pi...

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Posted Apr 25, 2018 11:17

I don’t speak Dutch unfortunately.
Sorry to bother you again, but may I ask why Cranfield?

In terms of ranking, facilities and internationality they are almost the same.
The only differences that I found are:
1) Campus Location (of course)
2) EQUIS accreditation (Cranfield is the triple crowned one)
3) Teaching methodology

Thank You in advance

[Edited by Michele Piccoli on Apr 25, 2018]

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Duncan

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Posted Apr 25, 2018 12:38

As a rule of thumb, you should study in the country where you want to work. You speak English but not Dutch. Cranfield students have much better career progress and international mobility. Most Tias students do speak Dutch, so average career outcomes are not representative for those who do not.

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Michele Pi...

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Posted Apr 25, 2018 12:50

Unfortunately I'm still not sure in which country/city i would like to work.
Thank You so much for helpful insight!

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George Pat...

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Posted Apr 25, 2018 12:58

Unfortunately I'm still not sure in which country/city i would like to work.
Thank You so much for helpful insight!

Since you are European, keep in mind that you can study for free in Scandinavia (Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway). The education system in those countries is very good, and you will only have to pay for your living expenses.
They are also a very good destination to live in. Learning the language is highly recommended to have a good chance of success.

From those two offers, cranfield seems better than tias

[quote]Unfortunately I'm still not sure in which country/city i would like to work.
Thank You so much for helpful insight![/quote]

Since you are European, keep in mind that you can study for free in Scandinavia (Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway). The education system in those countries is very good, and you will only have to pay for your living expenses.
They are also a very good destination to live in. Learning the language is highly recommended to have a good chance of success.

From those two offers, cranfield seems better than tias

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laurie

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Posted Apr 26, 2018 20:15

Since you are European, keep in mind that you can study for free in Scandinavia (Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway).

Good idea, but aren't the programs in those countries generally not in English?

[quote]Since you are European, keep in mind that you can study for free in Scandinavia (Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway).[/quote]
Good idea, but aren't the programs in those countries generally not in English?

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Tatiana Ki...

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Posted Jun 12, 2018 21:08

Since you are European, keep in mind that you can study for free in Scandinavia (Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway).

Good idea, but aren't the programs in those countries generally not in English?

Hello! No, Scandinavian programs are largely taught in English. I myself graduated from MSc from a university in Sweden. I know that in DK they also teach a lot in english at MSc level. Bachelor however is most frequently still taught in local language.

[quote][quote]Since you are European, keep in mind that you can study for free in Scandinavia (Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway).[/quote]
Good idea, but aren't the programs in those countries generally not in English?[/quote]

Hello! No, Scandinavian programs are largely taught in English. I myself graduated from MSc from a university in Sweden. I know that in DK they also teach a lot in english at MSc level. Bachelor however is most frequently still taught in local language.

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Duncan

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Posted Jul 05, 2018 22:45

The problem is that MBA level jobs tend to require the local language.

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Amruthavar...

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Posted Jan 31, 2020 08:48

How come HEC Paris isn't on the list?

Also heard that Warwick's placements are a complete farce. Any info about that?

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Duncan

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Posted Jan 31, 2020 09:07

You can answer these questions yourself by looking at the underlying data for the FT MiM ranking, which you can add in from the online versions of the rankings.

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laurie

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Posted Feb 04, 2020 20:34

How come HEC Paris isn't on the list?

My guess is he removed it during the second part of the methodology - "remove the ten with the fewest international students." HEC Paris has 54% international students.

[quote]How come HEC Paris isn't on the list?[/quote]
My guess is he removed it during the second part of the methodology - "remove the ten with the fewest international students." HEC Paris has 54% international students.

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Amruthavar...

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Posted May 08, 2020 13:12

Hello Duncan, I've been offered MIM admission at ESSEC and at ESCP. I worked as a data analyst in India for a year for US based Pharma companies. I intend to get into the healthcare sector in France. Could you please guide me with the positions I might have a shot at, after the programme? Do you think the current Covid situation will have an impact on my internships and job opportunities in France for me?What level of French do I need to get to before I go there? Please guide me.P.S: I don't intend to defer my admit as I'm not working right now.

Hello Duncan, <div>I've been offered MIM admission at ESSEC and at ESCP. I worked as a data analyst in India for a year for US based Pharma companies. I intend to get into the healthcare sector in France. Could you please guide me with the positions I might have a shot at, after the programme? Do you think the current Covid situation will have an impact on my internships and job opportunities in France for me?</div><div>What level of French do I need to get to before I go there? Please guide me.</div><div>P.S: I don't intend to defer my admit as I'm not working right now. <br><div><br></div></div>

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Duncan

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Posted May 08, 2020 14:43

I searched LinkedIn for MSc graduates of ESSEC and ESCP who are pharma or health fields, and who attended the most obvious Indian schools. I only found one: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anant-baweja-603618ba/

So, I am not convinced that your plan is viable.

The fact that you don't speak French is much more relevant than the COVID-19 situation. Since you will not improve your French much in India (unless you live in Pondicherry), or in an English-language degree, I unsurprisingly suggest that you go to a French-speaking university, take an intensive French course for a year, and then take an MSc taught in French.

PS See: Do you need to speak the local language? www.find-mba.com/board/34713

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I searched LinkedIn for MSc graduates of ESSEC and ESCP who are pharma or health fields, and who attended the most obvious Indian schools. I only found one: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/anant-baweja-603618ba/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/anant-baweja-603618ba/</a><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>So, I am not convinced that your plan is viable.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The fact that you don't speak French is much more relevant than the COVID-19 situation. Since you will not improve your French much in India (unless you live in Pondicherry), or in an English-language degree, I unsurprisingly suggest that you go to a French-speaking university, take an intensive French course for a year, and then take an MSc taught in French.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>PS See: Do you need to speak the local language? <a href="https://www.find-mba.com/board/34713" rel="nofollow" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">www.find-mba.com/board/34713</a> </div>

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Amruthavar...

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Posted May 08, 2020 16:13

Duncan, Thank you so much for the prompt response. I will be registering with Alliance Francias for a Level B2 french proficiency course. If Healthcare and Pharma aren't very good ideas for my job prospects, which field do you suggest for me to target in France? I am inclined to complete my lean six sigma certification course before beginning the program. I want to work in operations. The medium of instruction at ESSEC has been conveyed as English, do you think that's not factually accurate? Also is choosing ESSEC over ESCP a wise option?Thank you

Duncan, <div>Thank you so much for the prompt response. I will be registering with Alliance Francias for a Level B2 french proficiency course. If Healthcare and Pharma aren't very good ideas for my job prospects, which field do you suggest for me to target in France? I am inclined to complete my lean six sigma certification course before beginning the program. I want to work in operations.  The medium of instruction at ESSEC has been conveyed as English, do you think that's not factually accurate? Also is choosing ESSEC over ESCP a wise option?</div><div>Thank you </div>

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Duncan

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Posted May 08, 2020 16:22

Look on LinkedIn to see where Indians work in France.I am sure ESSEC will teach in English. That is partly why your French will not get to a professional level on an English-language course.

PS, as the post at the top of this thread shows ESSEC and ESCP are both great schools, but neither make up for you not being able to work in French.

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Look on LinkedIn to see where Indians work in France.<div>I am sure ESSEC will teach in English. That is partly why your French will not get to a professional level on an English-language course. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>PS, as the post at the top of this thread shows ESSEC and ESCP are both great schools, but neither make up for you not being able to work in French. </div>

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Vasu Jain

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Posted May 09, 2020 11:08

Hi Duncan,I was looking for Msc reviews and your inputs are really helpful.I got admitted in Frankfurt school of Finance (Msc in Finance) and Singapore Management University (Msc Applied Finance). Result of EBS and NUS is still awaited. I look to work in the same country where i get my masters and have also started learning german.I really like FSFM structure and the concentrations available but not sure how well its reputed outside Germany, especially in India if i want to return back someday. I have around 2.5 years of experience in Risk Advisory field and would like to continue working in the same field.Could you please guide me which is better choice for me in terms of placements after masters and in terms of reputation.
Thanks

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Hi Duncan,<div>I was looking for Msc reviews and your inputs are really helpful.</div><div>I got admitted in Frankfurt school of Finance (Msc in Finance) and Singapore Management University (Msc Applied Finance). Result of EBS and NUS is still awaited. I look to work in the same country where i get my masters and have also started learning german.</div><div>I really like FSFM structure and the concentrations available but not sure how well its reputed outside Germany, especially in India if i want to return back someday. </div><div>I have around 2.5 years of experience in Risk Advisory field and would like to continue working in the same field.</div><div>Could you please guide me which is better choice for me in terms of placements after masters and in terms of reputation.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div>

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Duncan

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Posted May 09, 2020 11:18

You can use the FT MiF rankings to compare outcomes. Employment, salary, careers service, and student quality are all better at Frankfurt, so I don't see that as a difficult choice.
These are very good schools, but neither well known in the other country.

You can use the FT MiF rankings to compare outcomes. Employment, salary, careers service, and student quality are all better at Frankfurt, so I don't see that as a difficult choice. <div><br></div><div>These are very good schools, but neither well known in the other country. </div>

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