Target schools with GMAT of 680[Q49,V34]

Mallika Hu...

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Posted Apr 17, 2015 11:23

Hi,

I have a GMAT score of 680[Q49,V34] and have 6.5 years of work-experience IT with a focus on Banking and Financial Services.
I have a less medium-more strong profile in terms of acads and extra-curricular activities.
I have some international work-ex and will actually start leading a team this year.
This is just a brief.

Please suggest what schools should be in my shooting range.

I am looking at a Sept 2015 or Jan 2016 intake and a 1 year MBA.

Please can the expert advisors on this forum pitch in with his/her opinions on this.

Many thanks,
Mallika

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Duncan

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Posted Apr 17, 2015 15:15

Without knowing your career goals, it's impossible to answer this meaningfully.

Take a look at:-

GMAT Tiers - strong schools for your GMAT www.find-mba.com/board/27082

Which schools start when http://www.find-mba.com/board/41131

PS If you are looking for a one-year MBA I assume that you want a modest change (i.e. only one out of country, function and industry). Look within the high-quality schools for the MBAs with the best support for the variable you want to change (e.g. no point going to the USA if you want to move to London). Also take a look at http://find-mba.com/lists/top-business-school-by-speciality/top-business-schools-for-a-career-in-finance-or-financial-services

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Mallika Hu...

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Posted Apr 17, 2015 18:37

Hi Duncan,

I am focused on Program Management. I have ruled out the UK as I wouldn't get a visa easily with the new rules. Singapore and HK will be a bit of a stretch 16 months..So Europe it is for me.I am looking at a school that will give me a solid degree and will have close proximity to the business+technology world. I am considering Rotterdam-Erasmus, EDHEC and TIAS. Which ones can I add to this list?
Also, I think i will be able to pick up the basics of any language in an year.

Thanks,
Mallika

[Edited by Mallika Hunsur on Apr 17, 2015]

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Duncan

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Posted Apr 17, 2015 21:31

I can't imagine what sort of MBA role would involve only the basics of a language. Doesn't programme management involve a lot of coordination with clients and suppliers?

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Mallika Hu...

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Posted Apr 18, 2015 14:32

I can't imagine what sort of MBA role would involve only the basics of a language. Doesn't programme management involve a lot of coordination with clients and suppliers?

What I meant is, picking up the basics shouldn't be a problem. Ramping up on language skills in due course of time is a given. If you don't want to accept any language other than English, I can only imagine the UK,US and India as possible countries. Management roles in these countries will not require you to speak any language other than English-since the kind of clients and suppliers that you will interact with will definitely be exposed to good English.

What I am saying is that I am not averse to learning the language of the place I intend to live in.Obviously that is going to take time, but I don't think that should be the main focus.

[Edited by Mallika Hunsur on Apr 18, 2015]

[quote]I can't imagine what sort of MBA role would involve only the basics of a language. Doesn't programme management involve a lot of coordination with clients and suppliers? [/quote]

What I meant is, picking up the basics shouldn't be a problem. Ramping up on language skills in due course of time is a given. If you don't want to accept any language other than English, I can only imagine the UK,US and India as possible countries. Management roles in these countries will not require you to speak any language other than English-since the kind of clients and suppliers that you will interact with will definitely be exposed to good English.

What I am saying is that I am not averse to learning the language of the place I intend to live in.Obviously that is going to take time, but I don't think that should be the main focus.

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Duncan

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Posted Apr 18, 2015 18:25

On the basis of more than ten years work advising MBA students, candidates and schools, I believe that you are mistaken. I suggest you read the comment by the St Gallen MBA programme on my post at http://board.find-mba.com/europe/do-you-need-to-speak-the-local-language-29546

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Mallika Hu...

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Posted Apr 20, 2015 11:47

On the basis of more than ten years work advising MBA students, candidates and schools, I believe that you are mistaken. I suggest you read the comment by the St Gallen MBA programme on my post at http://board.find-mba.com/europe/do-you-need-to-speak-the-local-language-29546

Thanks Duncan. Can you advise on schools I can add to the list, preferably the ones that have a Jan intake..?

Thanks!

[quote]On the basis of more than ten years work advising MBA students, candidates and schools, I believe that you are mistaken. I suggest you read the comment by the St Gallen MBA programme on my post at http://board.find-mba.com/europe/do-you-need-to-speak-the-local-language-29546 [/quote]

Thanks Duncan. Can you advise on schools I can add to the list, preferably the ones that have a Jan intake..?

Thanks!

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Duncan

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Posted Apr 20, 2015 13:52

I have a list here: Which schools start when http://www.find-mba.com/board/41131

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Mallika Hu...

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Posted Apr 21, 2015 07:03

I have a list here: Which schools start when http://www.find-mba.com/board/41131

Hi Duncan,

Though I am leaning towards EDHEC for a Jan intake, I am also looking at RSM-Erasmus.
I see that many students of RSM-Erasmus MBA don't seem to think very highly of the career services it offers.
Would you rate EDHEC better on this aspect..?
Also RSM doesn't have definite scholarships but EDHEC gives me one based on my GMAT score.
I also hear that EDHEC's Jan intake might not have a very smooth start as they start off with Finance modules.My predicament is that Sept will be too rushed for me.
Could you help with any information you have on the above or your views maybe..?

Many thanks,
Mallika

[quote]I have a list here: Which schools start when http://www.find-mba.com/board/41131

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Hi Duncan,

Though I am leaning towards EDHEC for a Jan intake, I am also looking at RSM-Erasmus.
I see that many students of RSM-Erasmus MBA don't seem to think very highly of the career services it offers.
Would you rate EDHEC better on this aspect..?
Also RSM doesn't have definite scholarships but EDHEC gives me one based on my GMAT score.
I also hear that EDHEC's Jan intake might not have a very smooth start as they start off with Finance modules.My predicament is that Sept will be too rushed for me.
Could you help with any information you have on the above or your views maybe..?

Many thanks,
Mallika

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badux

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Posted Apr 22, 2015 07:46

RSM has much better standing in the rankings than EDHEC. The placement rate and international mobility stats are pretty good as well.

Not sure why the school's career services gets poor reviews -- maybe it has something to do with the reviewers not being able to be placed in a country where they don't actually speak the language? But maybe try to connect with alumni -- from both schools -- to get a real sense of how their respective career services operate.

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Duncan

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Posted Apr 22, 2015 11:07

There was a long thread about this (which I guess the other person has found) at RSM, and I think a big issue was the expectation of students who expected a European school to place students in the same way an Indian school does. And, more broadly, expectations are higher at a higher-ranked school like RSM. That said, RSM is not in the high position it was in 15 years ago, then it had a US-style long MBA and was a European-level school. Now it is still strong, but more of a national player as the German MBA market has emerged. Either way, EDHEC does have great careers services.

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Mallika Hu...

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Posted Apr 23, 2015 12:03

There was a long thread about this (which I guess the other person has found) at RSM, and I think a big issue was the expectation of students who expected a European school to place students in the same way an Indian school does. And, more broadly, expectations are higher at a higher-ranked school like RSM. That said, RSM is not in the high position it was in 15 years ago, then it had a US-style long MBA and was a European-level school. Now it is still strong, but more of a national player as the German MBA market has emerged. Either way, EDHEC does have great careers services.

Yes Duncan, I saw that thread on this site.I also found many other posts on other websites where RSM alumni gave bad reviews of RSM career services.
What I get is this-
1) RSM program might be good, but apparently career services at the school gets a bad rating
2) EDHEC- Hovers about RSM +/- 1 place in the rankings and has no one bad-mouthing their career services at least

Also, since the EU works on the learn the language to work in the country you want to principle, I figure France is a much better place to be in than the Netherlands..? Though the Netherlands is a good place to work in, I figure France is bigger, has more international traffic and is a better hub than Netherlands.
Also, in case I plan to apply to schools in EU, would you advise I go region-wise, since I need to spend some time learning the language..?
I have 8 months before the EDHEC Jan intake and I don't see myself learning French and Dutch both.
Do you think EDHEC is well known outside the EU..?[It is a triple accredited program]
And are there any disadvantages of going to school in Jan..?

Thanks,
Mallika

[quote]There was a long thread about this (which I guess the other person has found) at RSM, and I think a big issue was the expectation of students who expected a European school to place students in the same way an Indian school does. And, more broadly, expectations are higher at a higher-ranked school like RSM. That said, RSM is not in the high position it was in 15 years ago, then it had a US-style long MBA and was a European-level school. Now it is still strong, but more of a national player as the German MBA market has emerged. Either way, EDHEC does have great careers services. [/quote]

Yes Duncan, I saw that thread on this site.I also found many other posts on other websites where RSM alumni gave bad reviews of RSM career services.
What I get is this-
1) RSM program might be good, but apparently career services at the school gets a bad rating
2) EDHEC- Hovers about RSM +/- 1 place in the rankings and has no one bad-mouthing their career services at least

Also, since the EU works on the learn the language to work in the country you want to principle, I figure France is a much better place to be in than the Netherlands..? Though the Netherlands is a good place to work in, I figure France is bigger, has more international traffic and is a better hub than Netherlands.
Also, in case I plan to apply to schools in EU, would you advise I go region-wise, since I need to spend some time learning the language..?
I have 8 months before the EDHEC Jan intake and I don't see myself learning French and Dutch both.
Do you think EDHEC is well known outside the EU..?[It is a triple accredited program]
And are there any disadvantages of going to school in Jan..?

Thanks,
Mallika

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Duncan

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Posted Apr 23, 2015 12:26

I think these are both strong schools. Some people say that Dutch is easier to learn than French if you already speak English, because Dutch is a close relative.

EDHEC is more highly ranked than RSM now (14th in Europe http://www.economist.com/whichmba/edhec-business-school/2014) by The Economist, but the small class size still makes it hard to get into the FT ranking. EDHEC's campus in Singapore gives it excellent profile there, but the school is nowhere near as well known as RSM.

RSM is now 20th in Europe (http://www.economist.com/whichmba/erasmus-university-rotterdam-school-management/2014) according to The Economist. The "Recruiters" tab in The Economist ranking shows how far that school has fallen. Honestly, any student who did not have a strong personal connection to The Netherlands would choose EDHEC.

So, I suggest you go to France as soon as you can and start on an intensive French course.

January starts can be challenging, because the September students are there already. I guess you have read the PDF on their website about the difference. Personally, I think the two-month summer gap is a huge asset in Europe, and that's why HEC, IMD and INSEAD also offer a January start so that students can still aim for a summer internship. You could also use that time for more language training.

[Edited by Duncan on Apr 23, 2015]

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Mallika Hu...

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Posted Apr 24, 2015 16:02

I think these are both strong schools. Some people say that Dutch is easier to learn than French if you already speak English, because Dutch is a close relative.

EDHEC is more highly ranked than RSM now (14th in Europe http://www.economist.com/whichmba/edhec-business-school/2014) by The Economist, but the small class size still makes it hard to get into the FT ranking. EDHEC's campus in Singapore gives it excellent profile there, but the school is nowhere near as well known as RSM.

RSM is now 20th in Europe (http://www.economist.com/whichmba/erasmus-university-rotterdam-school-management/2014) according to The Economist. The "Recruiters" tab in The Economist ranking shows how far that school has fallen. Honestly, any student who did not have a strong personal connection to The Netherlands would choose EDHEC.

So, I suggest you go to France as soon as you can and start on an intensive French course.

January starts can be challenging, because the September students are there already. I guess you have read the PDF on their website about the difference. Personally, I think the two-month summer gap is a huge asset in Europe, and that's why HEC, IMD and INSEAD also offer a January start so that students can still aim for a summer internship. You could also use that time for more language training.

Thanks Duncan.
How would you rate TIAS..? I somehow seem to go back to that-because the funding isn't an issue.Is that a stilted decision..?

[quote]I think these are both strong schools. Some people say that Dutch is easier to learn than French if you already speak English, because Dutch is a close relative.

EDHEC is more highly ranked than RSM now (14th in Europe http://www.economist.com/whichmba/edhec-business-school/2014) by The Economist, but the small class size still makes it hard to get into the FT ranking. EDHEC's campus in Singapore gives it excellent profile there, but the school is nowhere near as well known as RSM.

RSM is now 20th in Europe (http://www.economist.com/whichmba/erasmus-university-rotterdam-school-management/2014) according to The Economist. The "Recruiters" tab in The Economist ranking shows how far that school has fallen. Honestly, any student who did not have a strong personal connection to The Netherlands would choose EDHEC.

So, I suggest you go to France as soon as you can and start on an intensive French course.

January starts can be challenging, because the September students are there already. I guess you have read the PDF on their website about the difference. Personally, I think the two-month summer gap is a huge asset in Europe, and that's why HEC, IMD and INSEAD also offer a January start so that students can still aim for a summer internship. You could also use that time for more language training. [/quote]

Thanks Duncan.
How would you rate TIAS..? I somehow seem to go back to that-because the funding isn't an issue.Is that a stilted decision..?

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Duncan

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Posted Apr 24, 2015 19:12

I think you can answer this yourself. Look at the data about the schools and compare it to your goals.

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Mallika Hu...

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Posted Apr 25, 2015 20:55

I think you can answer this yourself. Look at the data about the schools and compare it to your goals.

Thanks Duncan.I think I get what you mean.
One more question though..How would you compare Vlerick to EDHEC..?If you had to pick between the 2, which one would it be..? And on what parameters..?

Thanks,
Mallika

[quote]I think you can answer this yourself. Look at the data about the schools and compare it to your goals. [/quote]

Thanks Duncan.I think I get what you mean.
One more question though..How would you compare Vlerick to EDHEC..?If you had to pick between the 2, which one would it be..? And on what parameters..?

Thanks,
Mallika

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Duncan

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Posted Apr 25, 2015 21:07

Well, I think those are never the only choices. The parameters are always the candidates' goals, so those also vary. For placement, EDHEC is stronger.

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Mallika Hu...

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Posted Apr 28, 2015 13:11

Well, I think those are never the only choices. The parameters are always the candidates' goals, so those also vary. For placement, EDHEC is stronger.

Hi Duncan,

I must say that I will apply to the below schools for sure-
1) EDHEC
2) Vlerick
3) RSM

I gather that EDHEC is a good choice from what you say, but I am a little worried that it isn't on the FT ranking list.
I see that EDHEC is the better choice according to The Economist.
Also, one reason for me to look at Vlerick is funding[they have a tie-up with Prodigy], but EDHEC does not.
I have one question though- I know that France gives a 2 year post-study visa, but I have no clue about Belgium.
Also, will I need to pick up French or German for Belgium[since they have diff parts that speak diff languages]..?
For Vlerick I am late for this year and it will have to be the next :( whereas EDHEC has a Jan intake.
If funding is an issue, what school would you advise I pick..?

Thanks,
Mallika

[quote]Well, I think those are never the only choices. The parameters are always the candidates' goals, so those also vary. For placement, EDHEC is stronger.[/quote]

Hi Duncan,

I must say that I will apply to the below schools for sure-
1) EDHEC
2) Vlerick
3) RSM

I gather that EDHEC is a good choice from what you say, but I am a little worried that it isn't on the FT ranking list.
I see that EDHEC is the better choice according to The Economist.
Also, one reason for me to look at Vlerick is funding[they have a tie-up with Prodigy], but EDHEC does not.
I have one question though- I know that France gives a 2 year post-study visa, but I have no clue about Belgium.
Also, will I need to pick up French or German for Belgium[since they have diff parts that speak diff languages]..?
For Vlerick I am late for this year and it will have to be the next :( whereas EDHEC has a Jan intake.
If funding is an issue, what school would you advise I pick..?

Thanks,
Mallika

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Duncan

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Posted Apr 28, 2015 14:43

The German-speaking part of Belgium is very, very small. In the area where Vlerick is, the language is Flemish (a dialect of Dutch).

I think you have to focus on the value of the outcomes. These are much larger than the difference in costs.

The FT rankings are useful but there are some great schools that have too few students to get into the FT rankings, like Ashridge, EDHEC and Edinburgh. You have to use all the information you have available.

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Mallika Hu...

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Posted Apr 28, 2015 15:21

The German-speaking part of Belgium is very, very small. In the area where Vlerick is, the language is Flemish (a dialect of Dutch).

I think you have to focus on the value of the outcomes. These are much larger than the difference in costs.

The FT rankings are useful but there are some great schools that have too few students to get into the FT rankings, like Ashridge, EDHEC and Edinburgh. You have to use all the information you have available.

Hi Duncan,

Vlerick MBA will be moving to Brussels this year as per their website.So French in Brussels..?
You mentioned outcomes.Can we drill down further on this..?
The most important parameter for me is being able to land a job in keeping with MBA roles[the ones I'm interested in mentioned in posts above] while doing the course or soon after.Country is not an issue with me, but looks like that's the issue for the recruiters, i.e. visa etc.So what would be the better option-Belgium or France..?
The next parameter is International recognition. I hear that not many know of EDHEC outside of France.
What other outcomes should I look at..?
Can you suggest..?

Thanks,
Mallika

[quote]The German-speaking part of Belgium is very, very small. In the area where Vlerick is, the language is Flemish (a dialect of Dutch).

I think you have to focus on the value of the outcomes. These are much larger than the difference in costs.

The FT rankings are useful but there are some great schools that have too few students to get into the FT rankings, like Ashridge, EDHEC and Edinburgh. You have to use all the information you have available. [/quote]

Hi Duncan,

Vlerick MBA will be moving to Brussels this year as per their website.So French in Brussels..?
You mentioned outcomes.Can we drill down further on this..?
The most important parameter for me is being able to land a job in keeping with MBA roles[the ones I'm interested in mentioned in posts above] while doing the course or soon after.Country is not an issue with me, but looks like that's the issue for the recruiters, i.e. visa etc.So what would be the better option-Belgium or France..?
The next parameter is International recognition. I hear that not many know of EDHEC outside of France.
What other outcomes should I look at..?
Can you suggest..?

Thanks,
Mallika

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